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24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:56:40 -0700

Just wanted to register my displeasure at having to customize the four
basic Ediff faces because you have changed their default attributes.
 

Just to get back the same Ediff appearance I have in previous Emacs
versions I had to open a previous version and track down those four
faces and their default attributes, then customize each of them in the
latest Emacs 24.
 
And there is not even anything in NEWS about this...
 
Was there any discussion in emacs-devel about whether these defaults
should be changed?  I didn't notice any.  That's where the discussion of
changes to defaults belongs.
 

In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2012-05-27 on MARVIN
Bzr revision: 108403 monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca-20120528034218-zugrj2n73izlkp5a
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
Configured using:
 `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2'
 

Message #8 received at 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11574: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 03:28:58 +0300

> Just to get back the same Ediff appearance I have in previous Emacs
> versions I had to open a previous version and track down those four
> faces and their default attributes, then customize each of them in the
> latest Emacs 24.

You don't need to open a previous version, because you can just remove
the added face characteristic for 88 colors.

> And there is not even anything in NEWS about this...

It's documented in NEWS.

Message #13 received at 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: "'Juri Linkov'" <juri <at> jurta.org>
Cc: 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#11574: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:53:42 -0700

> > Just to get back the same Ediff appearance I have in previous Emacs
> > versions I had to open a previous version and track down those four
> > faces and their default attributes, then customize each of 
> > them in the latest Emacs 24.
> 
> You don't need to open a previous version, because you can just remove
> the added face characteristic for 88 colors.

Sorry, I have no idea what that means or how to discover what it means.  Could
you please explain?

> > And there is not even anything in NEWS about this...
> It's documented in NEWS.

Where?  I searched for "ediff".  Based on your reply now, I searched for "88"
and for "characteristic" and for "colors".  Still no luck.  I don't see anything
in your reply that relates to any NEWS entry.

Oh... now I found it - maybe.  Searching for "diff" shows an entry that says
something that might be related.

But how to know?  It says nothing about any of the faces I mentioned, or even
any face names that are close.  And it says nothing about my "removing [or your
adding] the added face characteristic for 88 colors" to get back the former
default behavior.

I really have no idea what this change to ediff (or to colors?) is about.  What
face characteristic for 88 colors? 

Message #16 received at 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11574: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:34:37 +0300

> Sorry, I have no idea what that means or how to discover what it means.  Could
> you please explain?

I meant that the condition (min-colors 88) was added just in front of
other conditions.  If you remove it, you get the previous colors.

>> It's documented in NEWS.
>
> Where?  I searched for "ediff".

Ok, I'll add mention of ediff too.

Message #19 received at 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: "'Juri Linkov'" <juri <at> jurta.org>
Cc: 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#11574: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:37:48 -0700

> > Sorry, I have no idea what that means or how to discover 
> > what it means.  Could you please explain?
> 
> I meant that the condition (min-colors 88) was added just in front of
> other conditions.  If you remove it, you get the previous colors.

Just in front where?  Sorry to be obtuse, but I just don't know what you are
referring to.  In Customize I don't see anything about `min-colors'.  And I
haven't changed my setup wrt colors.  I have zillions of colors, so definitely
more than 88.

> >> It's documented in NEWS.
> >
> > Where?  I searched for "ediff".
> 
> Ok, I'll add mention of ediff too.

Thanks.

Message #22 received at 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11574: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 03:45:30 +0300

>> > Sorry, I have no idea what that means or how to discover
>> > what it means.  Could you please explain?
>>
>> I meant that the condition (min-colors 88) was added just in front of
>> other conditions.  If you remove it, you get the previous colors.
>
> Just in front where?  Sorry to be obtuse, but I just don't know what you are
> referring to.  In Customize I don't see anything about `min-colors'.  And I
> haven't changed my setup wrt colors.  I have zillions of colors, so definitely
> more than 88.

In Customize you can do what you want with the following steps:

1. M-x customize-face RET ediff-current-diff-A RET

2. Click the button "State".

3. Select "7 - For All Kinds of Displays"

4. Click the button "DEL" on the top two elements of display.

Message #25 received at 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: "'Juri Linkov'" <juri <at> jurta.org>
Cc: 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#11574: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:49:25 -0700

> In Customize you can do what you want with the following steps:
> 
> 1. M-x customize-face RET ediff-current-diff-A RET
> 
> 2. Click the button "State".
> 
> 3. Select "7 - For All Kinds of Displays"
> 
> 4. Click the button "DEL" on the top two elements of display.

I see.  I was totally unaware of #7 - thanks.

When was this feature added?  I don't find anything about it in the NEWS (for
either Emacs 24 or 23).

Message #28 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lawrence Mitchell <wence <at> gmx.li>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11574: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:24:47 +0100

Drew Adams wrote:
>> In Customize you can do what you want with the following steps:

>> 1. M-x customize-face RET ediff-current-diff-A RET

>> 2. Click the button "State".

>> 3. Select "7 - For All Kinds of Displays"

>> 4. Click the button "DEL" on the top two elements of display.

> I see.  I was totally unaware of #7 - thanks.

> When was this feature added?  I don't find anything about it in the NEWS (for
> either Emacs 24 or 23).

1997.  Although back then it was called "Show all display
specs".  The current wording was introduced in 2006.

Lawrence
-- 
Lawrence Mitchell <wence <at> gmx.li>

Message #31 received at 11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: "'Lawrence Mitchell'" <wence <at> gmx.li>, <11574 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#11574: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 06:12:22 -0700

> > When was this feature added?
> 
> 1997.  Although back then it was called "Show all display
> specs".  The current wording was introduced in 2006.

Learn something new everyday.  Thx.

Message #32 received at 11574-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
To: 11574-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11574: 24.1.50; changes to default Ediff faces
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 04:11:01 +0300

Fixed and closed.

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