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24.1.50; delete-trailing-whitespace now removes empty lines at end of file

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From: Matt Arsenault <arsenm2 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.1.50;
	delete-trailing-whitespace now removes empty lines at end of file
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:35:52 -0700

This is a regression from emacs 23.

In emacs 24, delete-trailing-whitespace remove blank lines at the end of a buffer. Previously this function would remove trailing whitespace on a line, but not change the number of lines.

Steps to reproduce: 
   1. Open a new buffer
   2. Enter a few lines of text
   3. Enter a few blank lines after the text
   4. Run M-x delete-trailing-whitespace

Expected behavior: 
   Number of lines to be unchanged. Blank lines at end of text should be there which was the behavior in emacs 23 and previous versions.

Observed behavior:
  Blank lines after the text  are removed. If the buffer is only blank lines, the first one survives the delete-trailing-whitespace.


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Message #8 received at 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Matt Arsenault <arsenm2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11879: 24.1.50;
	delete-trailing-whitespace now removes empty lines at end of file
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:30:52 -0400

Matt Arsenault wrote:

> In emacs 24, delete-trailing-whitespace remove blank lines at the end
> of a buffer.

This appeared during the Emacs 24 feature freeze, I don't see why.
I suggest using an optional prefix argument to control this.

Message #11 received at 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Matt Arsenault <arsenm2 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#11879: 24.1.50; delete-trailing-whitespace now removes empty
	lines at end of file
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:08:56 +0200

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> This appeared during the Emacs 24 feature freeze, I don't see why.
> I suggest using an optional prefix argument to control this.

Why not treat it as an annoying regression, which it is?

    Juanma

Message #14 received at 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Matt Arsenault <arsenm2 <at> gmail.com>,
	11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11879: 24.1.50;
	delete-trailing-whitespace now removes empty lines at end of file
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:31:46 -0400

>> This appeared during the Emacs 24 feature freeze, I don't see why.
>> I suggest using an optional prefix argument to control this.
> Why not treat it as an annoying regression, which it is?

I can't remember the exact details, but I do remember it being
introduced on purpose (tho the purpose might not have justified it).
I think it was judged that a new custom var for it or a new function was
not needed.

And, while there is a change, I haven't yet seen a clear argument that
this change is a problem.


        Stefan

Message #17 received at 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Matt Arsenault <arsenm2 <at> gmail.com>,
	11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11879: 24.1.50; delete-trailing-whitespace now removes empty
	lines at end of file
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 01:06:00 +0200

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

> And, while there is a change, I haven't yet seen a clear argument that
> this change is a problem.

I don't think it's a matter of argument, just taste. I dislike
delete-trailing-whitespace removing lines. I have a checkout of Emacs
with a lot of changed files, and editing some of them creates spurious
differences. Hardly a catastrophe, more of a nuisance.

    Juanma

Message #20 received at 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Bastien <bzg <at> gnu.org>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Matt Arsenault <arsenm2 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#11879: 24.1.50;
	delete-trailing-whitespace now removes empty lines at end of file
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 01:10:26 +0200

Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Stefan Monnier
> <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>
>> And, while there is a change, I haven't yet seen a clear argument that
>> this change is a problem.
>
> I don't think it's a matter of argument, just taste. I dislike
> delete-trailing-whitespace removing lines. I have a checkout of Emacs
> with a lot of changed files, and editing some of them creates spurious
> differences. Hardly a catastrophe, more of a nuisance.

FWIW I agree with Juanma here.

Also the name of the function suggests this.

-- 
 Bastien

Message #23 received at 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sven Joachim <svenjoac <at> gmx.de>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>, Matt Arsenault <arsenm2 <at> gmail.com>,
	11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11879: 24.1.50;
	delete-trailing-whitespace now removes empty lines at end of file
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:36:23 +0200

On 2012-07-16 00:31 +0200, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>>> This appeared during the Emacs 24 feature freeze, I don't see why.
>>> I suggest using an optional prefix argument to control this.
>> Why not treat it as an annoying regression, which it is?
>
> I can't remember the exact details, but I do remember it being
> introduced on purpose (tho the purpose might not have justified it).
> I think it was judged that a new custom var for it or a new function was
> not needed.
>
> And, while there is a change, I haven't yet seen a clear argument that
> this change is a problem.

There may be cases where an empty line at the end is actually necessary.
For instance, I occasionally edit chess game files in PGN¹ format, and
removing the trailing empty line breaks the nice feature that several of
such files can be combined with cat(1) to produce a larger one.

Cheers,
       Sven


1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Game_Notation

Message #26 received at 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Chong Yidong <cyd <at> gnu.org>
To: Sven Joachim <svenjoac <at> gmx.de>
Cc: 11879 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> IRO.UMontreal.CA>,
	Matt Arsenault <arsenm2 <at> gmail.com>, Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#11879: 24.1.50;
	delete-trailing-whitespace now removes empty lines at end of file
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:41:00 +0800

Sven Joachim <svenjoac <at> gmx.de> writes:

>> And, while there is a change, I haven't yet seen a clear argument that
>> this change is a problem.
>
> There may be cases where an empty line at the end is actually necessary.
> For instance, I occasionally edit chess game files in PGN¹ format, and
> removing the trailing empty line breaks the nice feature that several of
> such files can be combined with cat(1) to produce a larger one.

I think this is a fair point, so I added `delete-trailing-lines' as an
option defaulting to t.  Major modes which need to preserve trailing
newlines can now set that to nil, (I don't think there are any such
modes in Emacs), or users can customize it.

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