GNU bug report logs - #14776
24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance

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Package: emacs;

Reported by: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>

Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 01:23:01 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Tags: patch, wontfix

Found in version 24.3.50

Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>

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bug#14776; Package emacs. (Wed, 03 Jul 2013 01:23:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org. (Wed, 03 Jul 2013 01:23:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 03:21:09 +0200
[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]
I think parse-time-string's performance can be increased significantly
by the attached patch, which replaces `parse-time-string-chars' with
something more sensible.  This function gets called at least once for
every character of the date being parsed, e.g. ~100,000 times in a 3000
article gnus buffer.

I made a comparisons with 3000 dates extracted from mail articles like
this, which seems to suggest some improvement.  I hope that it is also
correct.

(progn
  (garbage-collect)
  (benchmark 100
             '(dolist (d dates)
                (parse-time-string d))))

status quo: 41.547726s (5.333477s in 28 GCs)
patched   : 10.132069s (0.389833s in 2 GCs)

-ap

[parse-date.diff.gz (text/x-diff, attachment)]
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Message #8 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 03:27:31 +0200
[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]
Wrong patch, sorry.  This it is.

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Message #11 received at 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 23:32:02 -0400
Andreas Politz wrote:

> This function gets called at least once for every character of the
> date being parsed, e.g. ~100,000 times in a 3000 article gnus buffer.

Why is it called 30+ times per article? Naively, seems like a chance for
a ~ 30x speed-up, compared to the ~ 4x one you seem to achieve.




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From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 23:34:11 -0400
Glenn Morris wrote:

> Why is it called 30+ times per article? Naively, seems like a chance for
> a ~ 30x speed-up, compared to the ~ 4x one you seem to achieve.

Oh, parse-time-string-chars, not parse-time-string. Ignore me.




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From: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
To: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:41:29 +0200
Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Glenn Morris wrote:
>
>> Why is it called 30+ times per article? Naively, seems like a chance for
>> a ~ 30x speed-up, compared to the ~ 4x one you seem to achieve.
>
> Oh, parse-time-string-chars, not parse-time-string. Ignore me.

Yes, but I just noticed something different.

In my benchmark the unpatched function runs for 41.5s on 100*3000 calls,
which comes down to an average of 0.415s per 3000 dates (or articles in
a summary buffer displaying parsed dates).  This should actually not be
very noticeable.

But it was. It took gnus ~40s to display this amount of articles and
most of it was spend in parse-time-string.  After tweaking it (i.e. the
patch) it came down to ~10s.  Now, looking more closely at the above,
non-gnus numbers, this makes no sense. (Though it's appealing to jump to
a conclusion, because it appears to be the correct factor.)

I should have tested this with -Q.  The reason is a customized
gc-cons-percentage (0.2) and gc-cons-threshold (67108864).  Using the
default values shows almost no difference anymore in gnus, i.e. both
versions (stock and patched) need around ~10s.

I suppose there are various lessons to learn from this endeavour.

-ap




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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:41:33 +0200
Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de> writes:

> I should have tested this with -Q.  The reason is a customized
> gc-cons-percentage (0.2) and gc-cons-threshold (67108864).  Using the
> default values shows almost no difference anymore in gnus, i.e. both
> versions (stock and patched) need around ~10s.
>
> I suppose there are various lessons to learn from this endeavour.

:-)

But this reminds me: Why are we parsing data strings in Emacs Lisp at
all?  Doesn't libc (or gnulib) have date parsing functions?

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From: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 21:47:58 +0200
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> But this reminds me: Why are we parsing data strings in Emacs Lisp at
> all?  Doesn't libc (or gnulib) have date parsing functions?

Like strptime ?

Probably not worth it, since it doesn't seem to be a bottleneck,
contrary to what I was suggesting. Or are there other reasons ?

-ap




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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 22:31:35 +0200
Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de> writes:

> Like strptime ?

Or parse-datetime:

http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=gnulib.git;a=blob_plain;f=lib/parse-datetime.y

> Probably not worth it, since it doesn't seem to be a bottleneck,
> contrary to what I was suggesting. Or are there other reasons ?

It's not much of a bottleneck, no:

(benchmark-elapse (dotimes (i 10000) (parse-time-string "Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:06:00 +0200")))
=> 1.120856647

But sorting a summary buffer of 5K messages on Date (which some people
do) might get a performance boost.  But I was thinking that it might be
more likely that parse-datetime parses more date strings correctly than
the version in parse-time.el.  

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From: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:08:33 +0200
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> It's not much of a bottleneck, no:
>
> (benchmark-elapse (dotimes (i 10000) (parse-time-string "Thu, 04 Jul 2013 20:06:00 +0200")))
> => 1.120856647

=> 0.215108395
;-O

But only with this:
[parse-time-rfc2822.el (application/emacs-lisp, inline)]
[Message part 3 (text/plain, inline)]
> But sorting a summary buffer of 5K messages on Date (which some people
> do) might get a performance boost.  But I was thinking that it might be
> more likely that parse-datetime parses more date strings correctly than
> the version in parse-time.el.  

It looks that way, i.e. parse-time-string is pretty simple compared to
that.  But most Date header I've seen popping up in my mail seem to
adhere to a strict rfc2822 format anyway, except for the occasional
non-strict timezone.

-ap

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 23:15:11 +0200
Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de> writes:

>> (benchmark-elapse (dotimes (i 10000) (parse-time-string "Thu, 04 Jul
>> 2013 20:06:00 +0200")))
>> => 1.120856647
>
> => 0.215108395
> ;-O

Wow, that's a pretty impressive speed-up.  I do see one issue, though --
it doesn't parse 2-digit years?  That's a requirement.

Anyway, with this large speed-up, I think we should definitely consider
swapping out the current parse-time code with your code.  Could you
collect a bunch of Date headers from the wild and see whether the old
and new versions agree on them all?

> It looks that way, i.e. parse-time-string is pretty simple compared to
> that.  But most Date header I've seen popping up in my mail seem to
> adhere to a strict rfc2822 format anyway, except for the occasional
> non-strict timezone.

Yes, mailers have gotten a lot better about adhering to the RFC2822 date
format the last decade.

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From: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
To: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 00:21:20 +0200
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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Wow, that's a pretty impressive speed-up.  I do see one issue, though --
> it doesn't parse 2-digit years?  That's a requirement.

There is also a missing downcase and the zone is incorrect...

I only considered the strict version.  Of course 2-digit years could be
incorporated, but I don't see this as a replacement anyway, rather an
addition or alternative: Try the rfc2822 format and fallback on the
current code:

[parse-time-string-rfc2822.diff (text/x-diff, inline)]
diff -wc --label /home/politza/src/emacs/trunk/lisp/calendar/parse-time.el --label \#\<buffer\ parse-time.el\<calendar\>\> /home/politza/src/emacs/trunk/lisp/calendar/parse-time.el /tmp/buffer-content-2968c1C
*** /home/politza/src/emacs/trunk/lisp/calendar/parse-time.el
--- #<buffer parse-time.el<calendar>>
***************
*** 176,186 ****
--- 176,240 ----
    "(slots predicate extractor...)")
  ;;;###autoload(put 'parse-time-rules 'risky-local-variable t)
  
+ (defconst parse-time-rfc2822-regex
+   (let* ((fws "[ \t\r\n]+")
+          (ofws "[ \t\r\n]*")
+          (day-of-week
+           (regexp-opt
+            (mapcar 'car parse-time-weekdays)))
+          (day "[0-9]\\{1,2\\}")
+          (month
+           (regexp-opt
+            (mapcar 'car parse-time-months)))
+          (year "[0-9]\\{4,\\}")
+          (hour "[0-9]\\{2\\}")
+          (minute hour)
+          (second hour)
+          (zone-hour (concat "[+-]" hour))
+          (zone-min hour)
+          ;; A rather non strict comment.
+          (cfws "(\\(?:.\\|\n\\)*)"))
+     (concat
+      (format "\\`%s\\(?:\\(%s\\),%s\\)?" ofws day-of-week ofws)
+      (format "\\(%s\\)%s\\(%s\\)%s\\(%s\\)%s"
+              day fws month fws year fws)
+      (format "\\(%s\\):\\(%s\\)\\(?::\\(%s\\)\\)?%s"
+              hour minute second fws)
+      (format "\\(%s\\)\\(%s\\)" zone-hour zone-min)
+      (format "%s\\(?:%s\\)?%s\\'" ofws cfws ofws)))
+   "A regex matching a strict rfc2822 date.")
+ 
+ (defun parse-time-string-rfc2822 (string)
+   "Parse the strict rfc2822 time-string STRING
+ 
+ Return either a list (SEC MIN HOUR DAY MON YEAR DOW DST TZ) or
+ nil, if STRING is not valid."
+   (setq string (downcase string))
+   (when (string-match parse-time-rfc2822-regex string)
+     (let ((dow (cdr (assoc (match-string 1 string)
+                            parse-time-weekdays)))
+           (day (string-to-number (match-string 2 string)))
+           (month (cdr (assoc (match-string 3 string)
+                              parse-time-months)))
+           (year (string-to-number (match-string 4 string)))
+           (hour (string-to-number (match-string 5 string)))
+           (min (string-to-number (match-string 6 string)))
+           (sec (string-to-number (or (match-string 7 string) "0")))
+           (zhour (string-to-number (match-string 8 string)))
+           (zmin (string-to-number (match-string 9 string))))
+       (let ((zone (+ (* (abs zhour) 3600)
+                      (* 60 zmin))))
+         (list sec min hour day month year dow
+               nil (if (>= zhour 0)
+                       zone
+                     (- zone)))))))
+ 
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun parse-time-string (string)
    "Parse the time-string STRING into (SEC MIN HOUR DAY MON YEAR DOW DST TZ).
  The values are identical to those of `decode-time', but any values that are
  unknown are returned as nil."
+   (or (parse-time-string-rfc2822 string)
        (let ((time (list nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil))
              (temp (parse-time-tokenize (downcase string))))
          (while temp
***************
*** 216,222 ****
  				       (funcall this)))
  				 parse-time-val)))
  		  (rplaca (nthcdr (pop slots) time) new-val))))))))
!     time))
  
  (provide 'parse-time)
  
--- 270,276 ----
                                             (funcall this)))
                                       parse-time-val)))
                        (rplaca (nthcdr (pop slots) time) new-val))))))))
!         time)))
  
  (provide 'parse-time)
  

Diff finished.  Fri Jul  5 00:00:38 2013
[Message part 3 (text/plain, inline)]
> Could you collect a bunch of Date headers from the wild and see
> whether the old and new versions agree on them all?

These are 3000 dates from my inbox, all pretty standard:

[parse-time.ert (application/octet-stream, attachment)]
[Message part 5 (text/plain, inline)]
-ap

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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:34:09 +0200
Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de> writes:

> I only considered the strict version.  Of course 2-digit years could be
> incorporated, but I don't see this as a replacement anyway, rather an
> addition or alternative: Try the rfc2822 format and fallback on the
> current code:

I see no reason to keep both the old 10x slower version and the new fast
version.  The fast version could surely be made to parse all valid(ish)
RFC822 date headers?

I think there's a corpus of date headers to test with out there
somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment..

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From: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:50:14 +0200
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> I see no reason to keep both the old 10x slower version and the new fast
> version.  

Except for non-mail related packages/users.

> The fast version could surely be made to parse all valid(ish) RFC822
> date headers?  I think there's a corpus of date headers to test with
> out there somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment..

I'll see if I can find it.

-ap




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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:56:08 +0200
Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de> writes:

>> I see no reason to keep both the old 10x slower version and the new fast
>> version.  
>
> Except for non-mail related packages/users.

Well, the old function is designed for parsing RFC822 Date headers...

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From: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:07:37 +0200
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de> writes:
>
>>> I see no reason to keep both the old 10x slower version and the new fast
>>> version.  
>>
>> Except for non-mail related packages/users.
>
> Well, the old function is designed for parsing RFC822 Date headers...

That may be true, though there is no mentioning of it in the file.  But
that may not the only context in which it is used.  It accepts all kinds
of date formats, even without touching parse-time-rules.

-ap




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From: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 19:47:30 +0200
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Well, the old function is designed for parsing RFC822 Date headers...

Also, people may be keeping ancient mail around, containing dates which
may be parsed by the current function.

Anyway here is an updated version, incorporating 2-digit years and
textual timezones.

[parse-time-rfc2822.el (application/emacs-lisp, inline)]
[Message part 3 (text/plain, inline)]
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 16:51:11 +0200
Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de> writes:

> Also, people may be keeping ancient mail around, containing dates which
> may be parsed by the current function.

Yes, but perhaps your regexp-based parser could be extended to parse
those, too?  Ancient date formats looked quite RFC2822-ey, too.

> Anyway here is an updated version, incorporating 2-digit years and
> textual timezones.

Looks good.

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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 12:05:34 +1100
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

>> Anyway here is an updated version, incorporating 2-digit years and
>> textual timezones.
>
> Looks good.

I did some further tests (after the version of parse-time-string on the
Emacs trunk had been ... fixed), and the regexp version is still 3x
faster (down from 10x).

It is, though, a stricter RFC2822 parser than the version we currently
have, so it fails on some of the test cases (dates without times, for
instance).  So I'm still not sure whether this is a suitable replacement
for parse-time-string.  And it seems odd to have two completely
different functions that almost parse the same thing...

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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Politz <politza <at> hochschule-trier.de>
Cc: 14776 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14776: 24.3.50; [PATCH] parse-time-string performance
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:12:19 +0200
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> It is, though, a stricter RFC2822 parser than the version we currently
> have, so it fails on some of the test cases (dates without times, for
> instance).  So I'm still not sure whether this is a suitable replacement
> for parse-time-string.  And it seems odd to have two completely
> different functions that almost parse the same thing...

So I don't think this is the right solution, and I'm closing this bug
report.

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