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24.3.50; "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"

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From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm <at> gentoo.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:08:25 +0200

Tags: patch

For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources" instead of
"Motif Resources". However, Motif is the original implementation,
whereas LessTif is an incomplete clone of it (whose development has
stalled). Furthermore, functions and variables are named *motif*
throughout (e.g., motif-version-string). Both Motif and LessTif are
free software, licensed under the LGPL. I think that it would serve
users better if the name of the original implementation was used.

The patch below changes LessTif (back) to Motif in some places,
partially reverting the following commit from 2001:
http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/emacs/trunk/revision/36503


--- emacs-orig/doc/emacs/emacs.texi
+++ emacs/doc/emacs/emacs.texi
@@ -1189,7 +1189,7 @@
 * Resources::           Using X resources with Emacs (in general).
 * Table of Resources::  Table of specific X resources that affect Emacs.
 * Lucid Resources::     X resources for Lucid menus.
-* LessTif Resources::   X resources for LessTif and Motif menus.
+* Motif Resources::     X resources for Motif and LessTif menus.
 * GTK resources::       Resources for GTK widgets.
 
 GTK resources
--- emacs-orig/doc/emacs/xresources.texi
+++ emacs/doc/emacs/xresources.texi
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@
 * Resources::           Using X resources with Emacs (in general).
 * Table of Resources::  Table of specific X resources that affect Emacs.
 * Lucid Resources::     X resources for Lucid menus.
-* LessTif Resources::   X resources for LessTif and Motif menus.
+* Motif Resources::     X resources for Motif and LessTif menus.
 * GTK resources::       Resources for GTK widgets.
 @end menu
 
@@ -260,7 +260,7 @@
 @ifnottex
 @item @code{selectionFont} (class @code{SelectionFont})
 Font name for pop-up menu items, in non-toolkit versions of Emacs.  (For
-toolkit versions, see @ref{Lucid Resources}, also see @ref{LessTif
+toolkit versions, see @ref{Lucid Resources}, also see @ref{Motif
 Resources}.)
 
 @item @code{selectionTimeout} (class @code{SelectionTimeout})
@@ -370,15 +370,15 @@
 Margin of the menu bar, in characters.  Default is 1.
 @end table
 
-@node LessTif Resources
-@appendixsec LessTif Menu X Resources
-@cindex Menu X Resources (LessTif widgets)
-@cindex LessTif Widget X Resources
-
-  If Emacs is compiled with the X toolkit support using LessTif or
-Motif widgets, you can use X resources to customize the appearance of
-the menu bar, pop-up menus, and dialog boxes.  However, the resources
-are organized differently from Lucid widgets.
+@node Motif Resources
+@appendixsec Motif Menu X Resources
+@cindex Menu X Resources (Motif widgets)
+@cindex Motif Widget X Resources
+
+  If Emacs is compiled with the X toolkit support using Motif or
+LessTif widgets, you can use X resources to customize the appearance
+of the menu bar, pop-up menus, and dialog boxes.  However, the
+resources are organized differently from Lucid widgets.
 
   The resource names for the menu bar are in the @samp{pane.menubar}
 class, and they must be specified in this form:
--- emacs-orig/doc/man/emacs.1
+++ emacs/doc/man/emacs.1
@@ -445,7 +445,7 @@
 .IR on ;
 don't have menu bars if
 .IR off .
-See the Emacs manual, sections "Lucid Resources" and "LessTif
+See the Emacs manual, sections "Lucid Resources" and "Motif
 Resources", for how to control the appearance of the menu bar
 if you have one.
 .TP
@@ -492,7 +492,7 @@
 Font name for pop-up menu items, in non-toolkit versions of
 .IR Emacs .
 (For toolkit versions, see the Emacs manual, sections
-"Lucid Resources" and "LessTif Resources".)
+"Lucid Resources" and "Motif Resources".)
 .TP
 .BR selectionTimeout " (class " SelectionTimeout )
 Number of milliseconds to wait for a selection reply.

Message #8 received at 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Ulrich Mueller <ulm <at> gentoo.org>
Cc: 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15145: 24.3.50;
 "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:36:19 -0400

Ulrich Mueller wrote:

> For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources" instead of
> "Motif Resources".

Probably because Motif was not free software until recently.

Message #11 received at 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm <at> gentoo.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15145: 24.3.50;
 "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:43:11 +0200

>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Glenn Morris wrote:

>> For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources" instead
>> of "Motif Resources".

> Probably because Motif was not free software until recently.

That may well be. The commit message for the above-mentioned commit
from 2001 doesn't state any reason, though.

Message #14 received at 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Ulrich Mueller <ulm <at> gentoo.org>
Cc: 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15145: 24.3.50;
 "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:04:22 -0400

Ulrich Mueller wrote:

> The commit message for the above-mentioned commit from 2001 doesn't
> state any reason, though.

You will have to try and live with the gnawing uncertainty then.

Message #17 received at 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Ulrich Mueller <ulm <at> gentoo.org>
Cc: 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15145: 24.3.50;
 "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:09:26 -0400

> The patch below changes LessTif (back) to Motif in some places,
> partially reverting the following commit from 2001:
> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/emacs/trunk/revision/36503

That looks OK, thank you.  That change was made because Motif wasn't
Free back then, so we wanted to promote LessTif over Motif.  Nowadays,
we should feel free to promote Motif instead.


        Stefan

Message #20 received at 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Ulrich Mueller <ulm <at> gentoo.org>
Cc: 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15145: 24.3.50;
 "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:00:19 -0400

        [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
        [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
        [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.

    For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources" instead of
    "Motif Resources".

The reason is, Motif was nonfree software and thus we COULD NOT
recommend it.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
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Boston MA 02110
USA
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Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Message #23 received at 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm <at> gentoo.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: 15145 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15145: 24.3.50;
 "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:12:13 +0200

>>>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Richard Stallman wrote:

>        For some reason, the manual refers to "LessTif Resources"
>    instead of "Motif Resources".

> The reason is, Motif was nonfree software and thus we COULD NOT
> recommend it.

Thank you for clarifying. As you're certainly aware, the situation has
changed, as Motif was released under the LGPL.

And it looks like LessTif development has stopped. Their last release
and the last commit to their CVS were in 2009. There is virtually no
activity on their mailing list and they don't react to bug reports.
That's about as dead as a package can be.

Message #28 received at 15145-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 15145-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#15145: 24.3.50;
 "LessTif Resources" should be "Motif Resources"
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:51:28 -0400

Version: 24.4

Applied.

(It's a shame almost none of the 168 people with commit access help out
with applying things like this.)

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