GNU bug report logs - #16537
24.3.50; eww displays alt attribute of images on hover - should display title attribute

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From: asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren)
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50;
 eww displays alt attribute of images on hover - should display title
 attribute
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:26:31 +0100

Run M-x eww http://xkcd.com/1319/ RET in a graphical Emacs and place the
mouse over the image displayed.

Expected result: A tooltip appears showing the content of the title
attribute of the image ("'Automating' comes from the roots 'auto-'
meaning 'self-', and 'mating', meaning 'screwing'.").

Actual result: A tooltip appears showing the content of the alt
attribute of the timage ("Automation").

The alt attribute is for when the image cannot be displayed; the title
is for the tooltip.



In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.8.6)
 of 2014-01-01 on prometheus, modified by Debian
 (emacs-snapshot package, version 2:20140101-1)
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11405000
System Description:	Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid)

Configured using:
 `configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --host x86_64-linux-gnu
 --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib
 --localstatedir=/var --infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs-snapshot
 --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes
 --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs-snapshot:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.3.50/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.3.50/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
 --with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ --with-x=yes
 --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-imagemagick=yes 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN
 -DSITELOAD_PURESIZE_EXTRA=5000 -g -O2' CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
 'LDFLAGS=-g -Wl,--as-needed -znocombreloc''

Important settings:
  value of $LC_COLLATE: C
  value of $LC_CTYPE: da_DK.UTF-8
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: en_GB.UTF-8
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_GB.UTF-8
  value of $LC_TIME: en_GB.UTF-8
  value of $LANG: en_DK.utf8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: eww

Minor modes in effect:
  show-paren-mode: t
  global-flycheck-mode: t
  diff-auto-refine-mode: t
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t

Recent input:
<send-emacs-bug-report>

Recent messages:
Contacting host: xkcd.com:80 [2 times]
Auto-saving...
Contacting host: xkcd.com:80

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Message #8 received at 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren)
To: 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [PATCH] Use the title attribute for the tooltip,
 rather than the alt attribute.
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:40:09 +0100

---
 lisp/net/shr.el | 3 ++-
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/lisp/net/shr.el b/lisp/net/shr.el
index 7ef49ea..2e67b07 100644
--- a/lisp/net/shr.el
+++ b/lisp/net/shr.el
@@ -1177,6 +1177,7 @@ The preference is a float determined from `shr-prefer-media-type'."
               (not (eq shr-state 'image)))
       (insert "\n"))
     (let ((alt (cdr (assq :alt cont)))
+          (title (cdr (assq :title cont)))
          (url (shr-expand-url (or url (cdr (assq :src cont))))))
       (let ((start (point-marker)))
        (when (zerop (length alt))
@@ -1228,7 +1229,7 @@ The preference is a float determined from `shr-prefer-media-type'."
          (put-text-property start (point) 'image-url url)
          (put-text-property start (point) 'image-displayer
                             (shr-image-displayer shr-content-function))
-         (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo alt))
+         (when title (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo title)))
        (setq shr-state 'image)))))
 
 (defun shr-tag-pre (cont)
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Message #11 received at 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren)
Cc: 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16537: [PATCH] Use the title attribute for the tooltip,
 rather than the alt attribute.
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:53:04 -0700

asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

> -         (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo alt))
> +         (when title (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo title)))

Well, it should display the alt text when there is no title, I think.
I've applied that instead.

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Message #18 received at 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16537: Use the title attribute for the tooltip,
 rather than the alt attribute.
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:38:52 +0100

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>
>> -         (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo alt))
>> +         (when title (put-text-property start (point) 'help-echo title)))

> Well, it should display the alt text when there is no title, I think.
> I've applied that instead.

That is of course up to you - I disagree:

The alt text is only for when the image cannot be displayed, while the
title is for the text in the tooltip. Quoting the HTML-standard:

  "alt = text [CS]
     For user agents that cannot display images, forms, or applets, this
     attribute specifies alternate text. The language of the alternate
     text is specified by the lang attribute.

   Several non-textual elements (IMG, AREA, APPLET, and INPUT) let
   authors specify alternate text to serve as content when the element
   cannot be rendered normally. Specifying alternate text assists users
   without graphic display terminals, users whose browsers don't support
   forms, visually impaired users, those who use speech synthesizers,
   those who have configured their graphical user agents not to display
   images, etc."

    - http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#adef-alt

And:

  "title = text [CS]
     This attribute offers advisory information about the element for
     which it is set.

   [...]

   Values of the title attribute may be rendered by user agents in a
   variety of ways. For instance, visual browsers frequently display the
   title as a "tool tip" (a short message that appears when the pointing
   device pauses over an object)."

    - http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title

Firefox and Chrome follows the standard, while Internet Explorer (as far
as I remember) does as shr (now) does.

Here is a quick HTML-page for testing:

 * http://asjo.org/misc/alt-title.html


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Message #21 received at 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren)
Cc: 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16537: Use the title attribute for the tooltip,
 rather than the alt attribute.
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:30:24 -0700

asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

> The alt text is only for when the image cannot be displayed, while the
> title is for the text in the tooltip. Quoting the HTML-standard:

Yeah.  But I don't really see any harm in using the alt text as a
tooltip if it's there.

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Message #24 received at 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: asjo <at> koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 16537 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16537: Use the title attribute for the tooltip,
 rather than the alt attribute.
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:36:35 +0100

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Yeah.  But I don't really see any harm in using the alt text as a
> tooltip if it's there.

The "harm" is that the alt-attribute is mandatory - so you will always
get a tooltip, even on images where a tooltip is useless/unwanted.

I guess most people will have their mouse away from the images displayed
by Emacs anyway, so it probably isn't a big problem.


  Best regards,

    Adam

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  simple to learn user interface, at least to gain       asjo <at> koldfront.dk
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