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24.3.50; If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching paren is only highlighted, no point jumping anymore?

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From: Mario Lang <mlang <at> delysid.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50;
 If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching paren is only highlighted,
 no point jumping anymore?
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:20:32 +0100

I am a long-term user of blink-matching-paren, however I always
relied on the fact that it jumped point to the open paren, instead of
just highlighting it.  I am a blind Emacs user using a braille display.
With braille displays, you never see highlightings.
But you can see a moving cursor very well.

I noticed in 24.3.50 that this behaviour is apparently gone.

If I enable blink-matching-paren all that happens is
a visual highlight, but no movement of point anymore.

So this feature is essentially completely useless for me now.
But I use it on a daily basis.

If there is a way to configure Emacs such to get
the old behaviour back, please tell me how, and maybe
document it more clearly?

If not, please bring the old behaviour back as an option.




In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll bars)
 of 2014-03-06 on fx
System Description:	Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid)

Configured using:
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Message #8 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Mario Lang <mlang <at> delysid.org>
Cc: 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50;
 If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching paren is only highlighted,
 no point jumping anymore?
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:13:11 -0400

Mario Lang wrote:

> If I enable blink-matching-paren all that happens is
> a visual highlight, but no movement of point anymore.
>
> So this feature is essentially completely useless for me now.
> But I use it on a daily basis.

Thanks for reporting this.

I am annoyed that this is yet another change with no mention in NEWS.
The manual is currently incorrect about this.

The relevant discussion seems to be here:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-12/msg00333.html

As usual, it has zero relation to the subject of the thread it is in.

At least, there needs to be a new value for blink-matching-paren to
bring back the old behaviour. And the documentation needs to be updated.


It seems like blink-matching-paren is now more similar to show-paren-mode.

Message #11 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Mario Lang <mlang <at> delysid.org>
Cc: 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50;
 If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching paren is only highlighted,
 no point jumping anymore?
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 18:14:55 -0400

> If I enable blink-matching-paren all that happens is
> a visual highlight, but no movement of point anymore.
> So this feature is essentially completely useless for me now.
> But I use it on a daily basis.

Indeed, we did not take your case into account.  Thanks for bringing it up.

> If there is a way to configure Emacs such to get
> the old behaviour back, please tell me how, and maybe
> document it more clearly?

No, there's no option for that, yet.  We need to add one.


        Stefan

Message #16 received at 17008-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Mario Lang <mlang <at> delysid.org>, 17008-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50;
 If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching paren is only highlighted,
 no point jumping anymore?
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 20:03:59 +0200

Version: 24.4

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> No, there's no option for that, yet.  We need to add one.

Done in revision 116760.

(setq blink-matching-paren 'jump)

Message #19 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: mlang <at> delysid.org, dgutov <at> yandex.ru
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50;
 If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching paren is only highlighted,
 no point jumping anymore?
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:12:45 -0400

The --- mark for NEWS was inappropriate.
As I already wrote, the documentation is now incorrect and needs updating.

Specifically, lispref/display.texi and emacs/programs.texi still refer
to the the cursor moving. And the new possible option of
blink-matching-paren needs to be mentioned in the latter.

Message #22 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: mlang <at> delysid.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50; If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching
 paren is only highlighted, no point jumping anymore?
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 20:30:50 +0200

On 14.03.2014 20:12, Glenn Morris wrote:

> The --- mark for NEWS was inappropriate.
> As I already wrote, the documentation is now incorrect and needs updating.

Sorry. That's what I (incorrectly) meant by signify with "---".

Message #25 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Cc: mlang <at> delysid.org, 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50;
 If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching paren is only highlighted,
 no point jumping anymore?
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:36:08 -0400

Dmitry Gutov wrote:

> On 14.03.2014 20:12, Glenn Morris wrote:
>
>> The --- mark for NEWS was inappropriate.
>> As I already wrote, the documentation is now incorrect and needs updating.
>
> Sorry. That's what I (incorrectly) meant by signify with "---".

And what I meant was that I would very much appreciate it if you would
actually update the documentation.

Message #28 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: mlang <at> delysid.org, 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50; If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching
 paren is only highlighted, no point jumping anymore?
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 05:08:52 +0200

On 14.03.2014 20:36, Glenn Morris wrote:
> And what I meant was that I would very much appreciate it if you would
> actually update the documentation.

Okay, since you insist. Please see if the new text looks right to you.

Message #31 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Cc: mlang <at> delysid.org, rgm <at> gnu.org, 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50;
 If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching paren is only
 highlighted,	no point jumping anymore?
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 10:32:23 +0200

> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
> Cc: mlang <at> delysid.org, 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> On 14.03.2014 20:36, Glenn Morris wrote:
> > And what I meant was that I would very much appreciate it if you would
> > actually update the documentation.
> 
> Okay, since you insist. Please see if the new text looks right to you.

I think you did very well, thanks.  Allow me one comment:

  --- doc/emacs/programs.texi     2014-02-28 03:02:50 +0000
  +++ doc/emacs/programs.texi     2014-03-15 03:07:06 +0000
  @@ -813,13 +813,13 @@ as in @samp{[x)}---a warning message is
   @itemize @bullet
   @item
   @code{blink-matching-paren} turns the feature on or off: @code{nil}
  -disables it, but the default is @code{t} to enable it.
  +disables it, but the default is @code{t} to enable it.  Set it to
  +@code{jump} to make indication work through cursor movement.

"Work through cursor movement" is not detailed enough, it will leave
the reader puzzled.  I would suggest a slightly more detailed
description, something like

  Set it to @code{jump} to make the indication work by momentarily
  moving the cursor to the matching opening delimiter.

Message #34 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: mlang <at> delysid.org, rgm <at> gnu.org, 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50;	If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching
 paren is only highlighted,	no point jumping anymore?
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 01:54:26 +0200

On 15.03.2014 10:32, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> "Work through cursor movement" is not detailed enough, it will leave
> the reader puzzled.  I would suggest a slightly more detailed
> description, something like

Ok, updated. The above was my attempt at being concise.

Message #37 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Cc: 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50;
 If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching paren is only highlighted,
 no point jumping anymore?
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 20:58:29 -0400

Dmitry Gutov wrote:

> Okay, since you insist. Please see if the new text looks right to you.

Thanks! Looks good, but you missed a spot:

   Whenever you type a self-inserting character that is a closing
   delimiter, the cursor moves momentarily to the location of the matching
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  opening delimiter, provided that is on the screen.  If it is not on the

Maybe "Emacs briefly indicates" would do.

Message #40 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50; If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching
 paren is only highlighted, no point jumping anymore?
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 04:45:17 +0200

On 16.03.2014 02:58, Glenn Morris wrote:

> Maybe "Emacs briefly indicates" would do.

Good suggestion, updated.

Message #43 received at 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Cc: mlang <at> delysid.org, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 17008 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17008: 24.3.50;	If `blink-matching-paren' is on, matching
 paren is only highlighted,	no point jumping anymore?
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:02:24 +0100

> Sorry. That's what I (incorrectly) meant by signify with "---".

Funny.  I made precisely the same mistake a couple of days before.

martin

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