GNU bug report logs - #17803
24.4.50; help-for-help inaccuracy

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Package: emacs;

Reported by: giles <at> pexip.com

Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:53:04 UTC

Severity: minor

Found in version 24.4.50

Fixed in version 24.4

Done: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>

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From: giles <at> pexip.com
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.4.50; help-for-help inaccuracy
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:37:38 +0100
Invoking help-for-help via C-h C-h the text includes the explanation:

S SYMBOL    Show the section for the given symbol in the on-line manual
              for the programming language used in this buffer.

I expected this to use an online (i.e.external to my box, presumably
HTTP accessed) manual but it actually invokes info-lookup-symbol.

Suggest  changing the text to read :

Show the section for the given symbol in the installed info manual for
the programming language used in this buffer.



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 of 2014-04-29 on GilesAir.local
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tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak
czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button
faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64
format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable
backquote make-network-process gfilenotify dynamic-setting
system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x
multi-tty emacs)

Memory information:
((conses 16 1381197 81369)
 (symbols 48 94148 1)
 (miscs 40 3649 3782)
 (strings 32 195364 9949)
 (string-bytes 1 6192524)
 (vectors 16 59323)
 (vector-slots 8 1805372 148078)
 (floats 8 1543 1844)
 (intervals 56 9773 164)
 (buffers 960 95))

-- 
Giles Chamberlin




Information forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org:
bug#17803; Package emacs. (Wed, 18 Jun 2014 18:36:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #8 received at 17803 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: giles <at> pexip.com
Cc: 17803 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17803: 24.4.50; help-for-help inaccuracy
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:35:49 -0400
> I expected this to use an online (i.e.external to my box, presumably
> HTTP accessed) manual but it actually invokes info-lookup-symbol.

Thanks for making me feel old.

"online manual" used to mean "non-paper manual", i.e. "manual you can
consult without having to leave your computer".

I guess nowadays Emacs's manuals would be categorized as "offline"
instead, eh?


        Stefan




Reply sent to Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>:
You have taken responsibility. (Sun, 29 Jun 2014 02:36:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Notification sent to giles <at> pexip.com:
bug acknowledged by developer. (Sun, 29 Jun 2014 02:36:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #13 received at 17803-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 17803-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17803: 24.4.50; help-for-help inaccuracy
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:35:09 -0400
Version: 24.4

Thanks; fixed.




bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <help-debbugs <at> gnu.org> to internal_control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Sun, 27 Jul 2014 11:24:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

This bug report was last modified 9 years and 298 days ago.

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