GNU bug report logs - #20788
24.4; Nicolas Petton's key not included in GNU keyring

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From: William G. Gardella <wgg2 <at> member.fsf.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.4; Nicolas Petton's key not included in GNU keyring
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 21:10:51 +0000

Emacs 24.5 as uploaded to
 https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/emacs-24.5.tar.xz with the signature at
https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/emacs-24.5.tar.xz.sig
is allegedly signed by Nicolas Petton with long ID 0x233587A47C207910,
but the GNU keyring at https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-keyring.gpg
does not include this key.

Please correct this in case users are relying on the GNU keyring
and have no web of trust to Nicolas.



In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-slackware-linux-gnu)
 of 2015-03-06 on aporia
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11403000
Configured using:
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Message #8 received at 20788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: William G. Gardella <wgg2 <at> member.fsf.org>
Cc: 20788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20788: 24.4; Nicolas Petton's key not included in GNU keyring
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:34:44 -0400

William G. Gardella wrote:

> Emacs 24.5 as uploaded to
>  https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/emacs-24.5.tar.xz with the signature at
> https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/emacs-24.5.tar.xz.sig
> is allegedly signed by Nicolas Petton with long ID 0x233587A47C207910,
> but the GNU keyring at https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-keyring.gpg
> does not include this key.

This is a duplicate of http://debbugs.gnu.org/20298.

I repeat my comment from http://debbugs.gnu.org/20298#23:

Nobody here can do anything about this, it's a GNU sysadmin issue.
It's been reported to them, nothing seems to have happened.

If you want to verify the signature, the key is available from standard
keyservers, eg pgp.mit.edu. I don't see the value of a keyring that is
stored on the same ftp server as the file you want to download.

Message #13 received at 20788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: William G. Gardella <wgg2 <at> member.fsf.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 20788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20788: 24.4; Nicolas Petton's key not included in GNU keyring
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 21:50:32 +0000

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> This is a duplicate of http://debbugs.gnu.org/20298.
>
> I repeat my comment from http://debbugs.gnu.org/20298#23:

Sorry for duplicating the issue; I should have checked
for the existing open bug.

> Nobody here can do anything about this, it's a GNU sysadmin issue.
> It's been reported to them, nothing seems to have happened.
>
> If you want to verify the signature, the key is available from standard
> keyservers, eg pgp.mit.edu. I don't see the value of a keyring that is
> stored on the same ftp server as the file you want to download.

I disagree that it's of no value; anybody can upload any key to any
keyserver, but the GNU keyring can be obtained from an HTTPS server with
a certificate signed by Gandi according to their policies, which,
while not great, are at least better than the nonexistent verification
provided by a keyserver.

I will send the report to sysadmin, as apparently no action has been taken
since late April, when Nicolas's key was supposedly uploaded.

Message #16 received at 20788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: William G. Gardella <wgg2 <at> member.fsf.org>
Cc: 20788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20788: 24.4; Nicolas Petton's key not included in GNU keyring
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 18:10:19 -0400

William G. Gardella wrote:

> I disagree that it's of no value; anybody can upload any key to any
> keyserver, but the GNU keyring can be obtained from an HTTPS server with
> a certificate signed by Gandi according to their policies, which,
> while not great, are at least better than the nonexistent verification
> provided by a keyserver.

I still don't get it:

If someone puts a bogus key on a keyserver, it will presumably fail to
verify the ftp.gnu.org tarfile.

And if someone can put a bogus Emacs tarball on ftp.gnu.org, they could
just as well put a bogus keyring file there too. So it doesn't seem to
be of any more value than a sha1sum.

> I will send the report to sysadmin, as apparently no action has been
> taken since late April, when Nicolas's key was supposedly uploaded.

Thanks. Again:

http://debbugs.gnu.org/20298#38
    
    [...] please ask them to review the whole system, not just add [one] key.
    Eg mine doesn't seem to be there either, which implies the system
    has been busted for years. I assume the file is supposed to be an
    automatically generated list of everyone who can upload to
    ftp.gnu.org.

Message #19 received at 20788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nicolas Petton <nicolas <at> petton.fr>
To: "William G. Gardella" <wgg2 <at> member.fsf.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 20788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20788: 24.4; Nicolas Petton's key not included in GNU keyring
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 01:14:49 +0200

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

William G. Gardella writes:

> Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> This is a duplicate of http://debbugs.gnu.org/20298.
>>
>> I repeat my comment from http://debbugs.gnu.org/20298#23:
>
> Sorry for duplicating the issue; I should have checked
> for the existing open bug.
>
>> Nobody here can do anything about this, it's a GNU sysadmin issue.
>> It's been reported to them, nothing seems to have happened.
>>
>> If you want to verify the signature, the key is available from standard
>> keyservers, eg pgp.mit.edu. I don't see the value of a keyring that is
>> stored on the same ftp server as the file you want to download.
>
> I disagree that it's of no value; anybody can upload any key to any
> keyserver, but the GNU keyring can be obtained from an HTTPS server with
> a certificate signed by Gandi according to their policies, which,
> while not great, are at least better than the nonexistent verification
> provided by a keyserver.
>
> I will send the report to sysadmin, as apparently no action has been taken
> since late April, when Nicolas's key was supposedly uploaded.

I reported the issue to them several times.  I've been told to just wait
for them to fix it.  I'm waiting.

Nico

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