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23.1.91; shell-command-on-region unexpectedly erases buffer

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From: tomas <at> tuxteam.de
To: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org
Cc: rfrancoise <at> debian.org
Subject: 23.1.91; shell-command-on-region unexpectedly erases buffer
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:44:13 +0100

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a recipe starting from `emacs -Q':

- - Start with some buffer with text in it. *scratch* will do fine.
- - Put point somewhere in text
- - evaluate (shell-command-on-region (point) (point) "/bin/date" (current-buffer) nil)

(The actual values of START and END are irrelevant, though).

The whole content of the buffer gets replaced by output of
command. According to the doc, I'd expect the ouput to be inserted
before point.

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Message #10 received at 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: tomas <at> tuxteam.de
Cc: 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rfrancoise <at> debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#5618: 23.1.91;
	shell-command-on-region unexpectedly erases buffer
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:08:37 -0500

tomas <at> tuxteam.de wrote:

> The whole content of the buffer gets replaced by output of
> command. According to the doc, I'd expect the ouput to be inserted
> before point.

I guess this is a documentation bug, in the same way as was

http://debbugs.gnu.org/4891

I'm not sure that the installed doc fix for that bug is actually
correct. The suggestion in

http://debbugs.gnu.org/4891#10

seems correct to me.

Message #13 received at 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: tomas <at> tuxteam.de
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rfrancoise <at> debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#5618: 23.1.91; shell-command-on-region unexpectedly erases
	buffer
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:58:29 +0100

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Thanks, Glenn for looking into it.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 01:08:37PM -0500, Glenn Morris wrote:
> tomas <at> tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > The whole content of the buffer gets replaced by output of
> > command. According to the doc, I'd expect the ouput to be inserted
> > before point.
> 
> I guess this is a documentation bug, in the same way as was
> 
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/4891

Yes, I think it's the same "bug". Now if I knew how to merge that...

> I'm not sure that the installed doc fix for that bug is actually
> correct. The suggestion in
> 
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/4891#10

Except that in our case, even if it's the current buffer, the whole
content of the buffer is overwritten as well, rendering the above
mentioned doc fix incorrect:

    "If OUTPUT-BUFFER is not a buffer and not nil,
       insert output in current buffer.  (This cannot be done
       asynchronously.)  In the latter case, the output is inserted
       after point (leaving mark after it)"

Besides, the behaviour in the current documentation seems way more
useful (i.e. _not_ erasing the buffer whenever REPLACE is non-nil).

What do you think?

> seems correct to me.

Half of it, yes, see above.

Regards
- -- tomás
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Message #16 received at 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
To: tomas <at> tuxteam.de
Cc: 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, rfrancoise <at> debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#5618: 23.1.91;
	shell-command-on-region unexpectedly erases buffer
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:17:19 +0200

>> I'm not sure that the installed doc fix for that bug is actually
>> correct. The suggestion in
>>
>> http://debbugs.gnu.org/4891#10
>
> Except that in our case, even if it's the current buffer, the whole
> content of the buffer is overwritten as well, rendering the above
> mentioned doc fix incorrect:
>
>     "If OUTPUT-BUFFER is not a buffer and not nil,
>        insert output in current buffer.  (This cannot be done
>        asynchronously.)  In the latter case, the output is inserted
>        after point (leaving mark after it)"
>
> Besides, the behaviour in the current documentation seems way more
> useful (i.e. _not_ erasing the buffer whenever REPLACE is non-nil).
>
> What do you think?

Are you sure that changing its long-time behaviour won't break
some existing packages?

>> seems correct to me.
>
> Half of it, yes, see above.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

Message #19 received at 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: tomas <at> tuxteam.de
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
Cc: 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, rfrancoise <at> debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#5618: 23.1.91; shell-command-on-region unexpectedly erases
	buffer
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:12:17 +0100

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On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:17:19AM +0200, Juri Linkov wrote:

[...]

> > Besides, the behaviour in the current documentation seems way more
> > useful (i.e. _not_ erasing the buffer whenever REPLACE is non-nil).
> >
> > What do you think?
> 
> Are you sure that changing its long-time behaviour won't break
> some existing packages?

No, of course not. Taking into account that the doc has stated tthis
behaviour one might venture to guess that packages wouldn't rely on the
"actual" (as opposed to the "documented") behaviour.

Still it's a judgement call, and I haven't the insight/experience to
perform that.

I'd try to offer a patch for the function if consensus arises that this
is desirable (but not this week).

Regards
- -- tomás
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Message #22 received at 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: tomas <at> tuxteam.de
Cc: 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, rfrancoise <at> debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#5618: 23.1.91;
	shell-command-on-region unexpectedly erases buffer
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:34:33 -0500

> Besides, the behaviour in the current documentation seems way more
> useful (i.e. _not_ erasing the buffer whenever REPLACE is non-nil).

Agreed.  We should try and fix the code to obey the doc more than the
converse.  If that can introduce backward compatibility problems, then
it just means we need to do it more carefully.


        Stefan

Message #25 received at 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: tomas <at> tuxteam.de
Cc: 5618 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rfrancoise <at> debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#5618: 23.1.91; shell-command-on-region unexpectedly erases
 buffer
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:31:08 +0100

tomas <at> tuxteam.de writes:

> - Start with some buffer with text in it. *scratch* will do fine.
> - Put point somewhere in text
> - evaluate (shell-command-on-region (point) (point) "/bin/date" (current-buffer) nil)
>
> (The actual values of START and END are irrelevant, though).
>
> The whole content of the buffer gets replaced by output of
> command. According to the doc, I'd expect the ouput to be inserted
> before point.

(I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
at the time.)

The behaviour has now been documented as such:

----
Optional fourth arg OUTPUT-BUFFER specifies where to put the
command's output.  If the value is a buffer or buffer name,
erase that buffer and insert the output there; a non-nil value of
`shell-command-dont-erase-buffer' prevent to erase the buffer.
If the value is nil, use the buffer specified by `shell-command-buffer-name'.
Any other non-nil value means to insert the output in the
current buffer after START.
----

And we've grown an extra user option (that's...  pretty confusing in
itself, I think).  So while the semantics here are far less than ideal,
I don't think there's anything further to do here, and I'm closing this
bug report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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