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dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g

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Reported by: jidanni <at> jidanni.org

Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:00:02 UTC

Severity: minor

Tags: fixed

Fixed in version 24.1

Done: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>

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From: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:41:24 +0800

s runs the command dired-sort-toggle-or-edit, which is an interactive
compiled Lisp function in `dired.el'.

it says
ls switches (must contain -l): -al

Say instead
ls switches (must contain one of -log): -al ... or clearer:
ls switches (must contain -l or -o or -g): -al
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:29:47 +0200

jidanni <at> jidanni.org writes:

> ls switches (must contain one of -log): -al ... or clearer:
> ls switches (must contain -l or -o or -g): -al

Good idea.  I've now done the latter.

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From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:18:43 +0200

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> jidanni <at> jidanni.org writes:
>
>> ls switches (must contain one of -log): -al ... or clearer:
>> ls switches (must contain -l or -o or -g): -al
>
> Good idea.  I've now done the latter.

Not a good idea.  On *BSD ls -o does not work.  This should be reverted.

Andreas.

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:55:23 +0200

Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:

> Not a good idea.  On *BSD ls -o does not work.  This should be reverted.

I've now removed -o, but kept -g.

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From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:29:19 +0200

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:
>
>> Not a good idea.  On *BSD ls -o does not work.  This should be reverted.
>
> I've now removed -o, but kept -g.

This is still not a good idea.  How is -g special wrt. to the options
that may imply -l?  The requirement that the options should include -l
is simple and does not need any amendment.

Andreas.

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:29:42 +0200

Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:

> This is still not a good idea.  How is -g special wrt. to the options
> that may imply -l?  The requirement that the options should include -l
> is simple and does not need any amendment.

Because saying "include -l" sounds like you really need to have the
full, complete "-l" output, and then it turns out that you don't, which
makes me happy, because I hate the full "-l" output in dired buffers.
:-)

Perhaps the string should be more wishy-washy?  "must be a sort-of full
listing, like -l or the like"?  Too long, though.

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From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:50:45 +0200

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:
>
>> This is still not a good idea.  How is -g special wrt. to the options
>> that may imply -l?  The requirement that the options should include -l
>> is simple and does not need any amendment.
>
> Because saying "include -l" sounds like you really need to have the
> full, complete "-l" output, and then it turns out that you don't, which
> makes me happy, because I hate the full "-l" output in dired buffers.
> :-)

There is nothing that prevents you from using any additional options.

> Perhaps the string should be more wishy-washy?  "must be a sort-of full
> listing, like -l or the like"?  Too long, though.

Exactly.  Saying "(must include -l)" is simple and clear, and fully
correct.

Andreas.

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:57:34 +0200

Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:

> Exactly.  Saying "(must include -l)" is simple and clear, and fully
> correct.

No, because it doesn't have to include -l.  -o and -g does not imply -l.
It's kinda like -l, though.

So "(must include -l or similar)" might be best...

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Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:14:16 +0200

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> -o and -g does not imply -l.

They do.

> So "(must include -l or similar)" might be best...

Nobody needs that.

Andreas.

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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:18:38 +0200

Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
>
>> -o and -g does not imply -l.
>
> They do.

       -g     like -l, but do not list owner

>> So "(must include -l or similar)" might be best...
>
> Nobody needs that.

jidanni did, and I did.  QED.

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Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:43:34 +0200

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:
>
>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
>>
>>> -o and -g does not imply -l.
>>
>> They do.
>
>        -g     like -l, but do not list owner

Like I said.

Andreas.

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Cc: 9301 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:43:03 +0200

Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:

>> Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:
>>
>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> -o and -g does not imply -l.
>>>
>>> They do.
>>
>>        -g     like -l, but do not list owner
>
> Like I said.

Like I said, it's like -l, but does not imply -l.

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Subject: Re: bug#9301: dired-sort-toggle-or-edit should also mention -o and -g
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 18:53:07 +0200

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:
>
>>> Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> -o and -g does not imply -l.
>>>>
>>>> They do.
>>>
>>>        -g     like -l, but do not list owner
>>
>> Like I said.
>
> Like I said, it's like -l, but does not imply -l.

You are wrong.  "-lg" is the same as "-g".

Andreas.

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