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package.el supports an "upgrade" feature from `package-list-packages'
that installs a new version of a package and removes the old one. I
updated the `helm' package on my system and you can see that when trying
to kill emacs, there is a problem where the hook seems to be trying to
execute a function but cannot find the doc string file.  This is because
the directories are named after the version. =20

kill-emacs: Cannot open doc string file =
"/Users/dcurtis/.emacs.d/elpa/helm-20120921.1208/helm-adaptative.elc"

It would be nice to have package.el somehow reload the package files.

In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin12.1.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0 =
AppKit 1187)
of 2012-09-02 on bird.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple Inc.', version 10.8.2
Configured using:
`configure '--prefix=3D/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/24.2' '--without-dbus'
'--enable-locallisppath=3D/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp'
'--infodir=3D/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/24.2/share/info/emacs' '--with-mac'
'--enable-mac-app=3D/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/24.2''

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: nil
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

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Minor modes in effect:
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  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  helm-match-plugin-mode: t
  global-undo-tree-mode: t
  undo-tree-mode: t
  ido-ubiquitous-mode: t
  ido-everywhere: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  savehist-mode: t
  global-auto-revert-mode: t
  recentf-mode: t
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  mac-mouse-wheel-mode: t
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  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
SPC b e c a u s e SPC t h e SPC v <backspace> d i r=20
e c t o r i e s SPC a r e SPC n a m e d SPC a f t e=20
r SPC t e h SPC v e r <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> h e r SPC <backspace>=20
<backspace> SPC v e r s i o n . SPC S-SPC T h i s SPC=20
i SPC <backspace> s SPC f i n e SPC b u t SPC b a s=20
i c a l l y C-w C-w a n d SPC n o r m a l C-w C-w C-w=20
C-w C-w C-n C-n C-n C-e <return> <return> C-o I t SPC=20
w o u l d SPC b e SPC n i c e SPC t o SPC h a v e SPC=20
p a c k a g e . e l SPC s o m e h o w SPC C-p C-k C-e=20
u p d a t e C-n C-SPC C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20
C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-g C-n C-n=20
C-n C-e SPC t h e SPC p a <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>=20
r e l o a d - <backspace> SPC t h e SPC p a c k a g=20
e SPC f i l e s . C-n C-SPC C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20
C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n=20
C-p C-p C-p M-w C-c C-g C-x k <return> y C-x RET r=20
e p o r t SPC b u g C-g C-g C-x 1 C-x RET <return>

Recent messages:
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Load-path shadows:
/Users/dcurtis/.emacs.d/elpa/ess-20120924.1839/.dir-locals hides =
/Users/dcurtis/.emacs.d/elpa/magit-20120926.1706/.dir-locals
~/.emacs.d/custom hides =
/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/24.2/share/emacs/24.2/lisp/custom
/Users/dcurtis/.emacs.d/elpa/python-20120924.1710/python hides =
/usr/local/Cellar/emacs/24.2/share/emacs/24.2/lisp/progmodes/python
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> kill-emacs: Cannot open doc string file
> "/Users/dcurtis/.emacs.d/elpa/helm-20120921.1208/helm-adaptative.elc"

Can you reproduce the problem and give us a backtrace?
Failing to find the docstring should usually be caught close to the call
to `documentation'.


        Stefan

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I reproduced this error and the backtrace was:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Cannot open doc string file =
\"/Users/dcurtis/.emacs.d/elpa/helm-20121027.641/helm-adaptative.elc\"")
  helm-c-adaptive-save-history()
  kill-emacs()
  save-buffers-kill-emacs(nil)
  save-buffers-kill-terminal(nil)
  call-interactively(save-buffers-kill-terminal nil nil)


Looks like a problem with helm-c-adaptive-save-hisotry possibly?



On Oct 1, 2012, at 09:28, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> =
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>> kill-emacs: Cannot open doc string file
>> "/Users/dcurtis/.emacs.d/elpa/helm-20120921.1208/helm-adaptative.elc"
>=20
> Can you reproduce the problem and give us a backtrace?
> Failing to find the docstring should usually be caught close to the =
call
> to `documentation'.
>=20
>=20
>        Stefan

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> I reproduced this error and the backtrace was:
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Cannot open doc string file
> \"/Users/dcurtis/.emacs.d/elpa/helm-20121027.641/helm-adaptative.elc\"")
>   helm-c-adaptive-save-history()
>   kill-emacs()
>   save-buffers-kill-emacs(nil)
>   save-buffers-kill-terminal(nil)
>   call-interactively(save-buffers-kill-terminal nil nil)

> Looks like a problem with helm-c-adaptive-save-hisotry possibly?

No, this sounds like the file helm-adaptative.elc was removed or
modified after you loaded helm in your Emacs session (so the error is
that Emacs is trying to lazily load the body of the
helm-c-adaptive-save-history function from the .elc file but can't
find it).

For some reason, Helm sets byte-compile-dynamic in most/all its
files, which introduces these kinds of problems.

Thierry, why do you use byte-compile-dynamic everywhere?
A few well-placed ;;;###autoload cookies usually get you the same (if
not better) speed up during startup without suffering from
such brittleness.


        Stefan

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Hi Stefan,

Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:

> Thierry, why do you use byte-compile-dynamic everywhere?
I used this when I splitted helm in many files and enabled autoload
everywhere to speed up start of helm, but indeed I had lot of annoyances
with this and didn't remove it by laziness.
I will remove this as soon as possible.

Thanks.

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Stefan,

But this does not address the problem of reloading files that are out of =
date.

The problem being how to upgrade packages and then have those packages =
get updated to their new versions without actually restarting Emacs.

	Donald


On Nov 8, 2012, at 00:17, Thierry Volpiatto =
<thierry.volpiatto@HIDDEN> wrote:

> Hi Stefan,
>=20
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>=20
>> Thierry, why do you use byte-compile-dynamic everywhere?
> I used this when I splitted helm in many files and enabled autoload
> everywhere to speed up start of helm, but indeed I had lot of =
annoyances
> with this and didn't remove it by laziness.
> I will remove this as soon as possible.
>=20
> Thanks.
>=20
> --=20
>  Thierry
> Get my Gnupg key:
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> But this does not address the problem of reloading files that are out
> of date.

No, indeed, it just reduces the pain due to not reloading them.

> The problem being how to upgrade packages and then have those packages get
> updated to their new versions without actually restarting Emacs.

In general this is not possible right now (e.g. any defvars will keep
using the value from the old version; removed functions and vars might
linger around; ...).
We could provide the option to "try to reload and cross your fingers".
We could also provide "try to unload-feature, cross your fingers, and
then reload".


        Stefan

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