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Full text available.Received: (at 18448) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2014 15:53:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 11 11:53:47 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38278 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1XS6gs-00017l-Fa for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:53:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:39092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1XS6gp-00017a-GS for 18448 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:53:44 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1XS6gm-00031c-Qd; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:53:41 -0400 From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> To: Sebastien Vauban <sva-news@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#18448: Problems installing (M)ELPA packages References: <86iokubntn.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spook: security Operation Iraqi Freedom ANZUS SAFE Etacs S Key X-Ran: +"2X1v9.Vs/@#d9J&Y%WY.Q%@2T5;o/weKd}Q2G,07o;E_Ef+t5/~hW/2Kp.piGAbA+^oQ X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:53:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86iokubntn.fsf@HIDDEN> (Sebastien Vauban's message of "Thu, 11 Sep 2014 09:47:48 +0200") Message-ID: <esppf217cs.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.8 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18448 Cc: 18448 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.8 (------) Sebastien Vauban wrote: > (This discussion was started on gnu.emacs.help) It would be nice if your report could have summarized the issue. Anyway, this is a duplicate of http://debbugs.gnu.org/18443, which is a duplicate of http://debbugs.gnu.org/10125.
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2014 07:49:22 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 11 03:49:22 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37241 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1XRz85-0003th-8Z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 03:49:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51671) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <sva-news@HIDDEN>) id 1XRz83-0003tZ-FW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 03:49:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <sva-news@HIDDEN>) id 1XRz7x-0003Ud-Ow for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 03:49:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34525) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <sva-news@HIDDEN>) id 1XRz7x-0003UW-Lt for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 03:49:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53354) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <sva-news@HIDDEN>) id 1XRz7p-0008Jb-Vh for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 03:49:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <sva-news@HIDDEN>) id 1XRz7l-0003S6-1u for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 03:49:05 -0400 Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:20041 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <sva-news@HIDDEN>) id 1XRz7k-0003Ru-Rp for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 03:49:00 -0400 Received: from MUNDANEUM.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2CCD500926 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 09:48:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Sebastien Vauban <sva-news@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: Problems installing (M)ELPA packages Organization: Sebastien Vauban X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 09:47:48 +0200 Message-ID: <86iokubntn.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Hello, (This discussion was started on gnu.emacs.help) Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Sebastien Vauban wrote: >>> >>> While using `package.el' fulfills a long-awaited dream for easily adding >>> and upgrading Emacs libraries, I now feel upgrading packages is much >>> more complex than what I anticipated. >>> >>> At least two of the packages I use daily (Org and Helm) require to be >>> installed from inside a fresh Emacs session (emacs -Q), where nothing >>> has been loaded. >>> >>> For example, the FAQ entry from Helm on this: >>> >>> =E2=95=AD=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 https://github.com/emac= s-helm/helm/wiki#ihaveupdatedfrommelpaandihaveerrors >>> =E2=94=82 >>> =E2=94=82 I have updated from melpa and I have errors >>> =E2=94=82 >>> =E2=94=82 - Uninstall helm from list-packages >>> =E2=94=82 - Close emacs >>> =E2=94=82 - Start emacs -Q >>> =E2=94=82 - Reinstall helm from list-packages >>> =E2=94=82 - Restart emacs >>> =E2=95=B0=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 >>> >>> I guess a lot of people are not aware of this, and don't take enough >>> look at the Compile log to see that it can lead to (big?) problems. >>> >>> Is that something that could/will be fixed in the future? >>> >>> Is the Helm workaround (with Emacs-async, documented in the above link) >>> usable for avoiding this with all ELPA packages? >> >> There have been some discussions about it in emacs-devel, but nothing >> concrete came out of it yet (except maybe emacs-async, tho IIUC it >> existed before). >> >> I suggest you re-start a discussion about this in emacs-devel or via >> M-x report-emacs-bug. >> >> For this discussion, it would be helpful to have a list of known >> breakages with some analysis of why they break. I know of one source of >> problems: >> When compiling the new package, (require 'foo) will do nothing if the >> old package also had a `foo' which is already loaded, in which case we >> end up using the old package's `foo' to compile the new package, which >> of course leads to various problems, e.g. if we use some macros from `fo= o'. > > For helm, that is exactly the problem (and the only one I know of). > Currently, the maintainers are flooded with breakage reports due to > macro changes. > > AFAICT, it is planned to enhance async so that it can perform > compilation of packages (and to use an advice to make package.el use > it.). For helm, it is planned to let the helm package depend on > emacs-async, which should solve the problem - see > > https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm/issues/617. I don't know/understand the cause for Org, but installing Org mode in a session where Org is already loaded will lead to `org-with-silent-modification' "invalid function" errors (there are a lot of such posts about it in the mailing list). Best regards, Seb
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