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Full text available.Received: (at 19792) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2015 09:03:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 10 04:03:30 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1YL6jC-0001UV-A6 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:03:30 -0500 Received: from mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:51233) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <mituharu@HIDDEN>) id 1YL6j9-0001UK-3J for 19792 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:03:28 -0500 Received: from fermat1.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (fermat [192.168.32.10]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06769C055D; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:03:23 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:03:23 +0900 Message-ID: <wld25ikujo.wl%mituharu@HIDDEN> From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@HIDDEN> To: Antonio Gervasoni <agervasoni@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#19792: Emacs and Voiceover In-Reply-To: <CA+O6dK2HZe+ztX4tFSKcJO6vLpPLbwEqFcDW1ytVkTC9U1=4zw@HIDDEN> References: <CA+O6dK2HZe+ztX4tFSKcJO6vLpPLbwEqFcDW1ytVkTC9U1=4zw@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: Faculty of Science, Chiba University MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19792 Cc: 19792 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) >>>>> On Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:39:52 -0500, Antonio Gervasoni <agervasoni@HIDDEN> said: > I have a blind student who would benefit a lot from using Emacs but, > unfortunately, it doesn't work for him because he's on a Mac and > Voiceover can't read information correctly from the Emacs window (I > have installed the "Emacs for Mac OS X" that can be downloaded from > here <http://emacsformacosx.com/>). A blind friend who runs Emacs on > Linux has told me that Orca has the same problem and that emacspeak > is the only solution that worked for him. Emacs Mac port (*) has some experimental accessibility support on OS X, but I'm not sure how much it is practical about regular use with VoiceOver. *: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-01/msg01040.html YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@HIDDEN
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I have a blind student who would benefit a lot from using Emacs but, unfortunately, it doesn't work for him because he's on a Mac and Voiceover can't read information correctly from the Emacs window (I have installed the "Emacs for Mac OS X" that can be downloaded from here <http://emacsformacosx.com/>). A blind friend who runs Emacs on Linux has told me that Orca has the same problem and that emacspeak is the only solution that worked for him. The method of installation of emacspeak on a Mac is pretty obscure. I have been able to find a few old pages with dozens of steps and none of them guarantee that it will work. And, besides, I don't have the necessary skills to try that approach either. I wonder if the problem with Voiceover could be solved from the Emacs side (because, expecting Apple to to anything is of course ridiculous), which may also solve the problem with Orca. If there's anything on your power to solve this, I'm sure a lot of people would be very grateful, including me and my student. If not, could you please point me out to whom I could write for help? Sincerely, Antonio Gervasoni --047d7b47204e166c55050e6e139a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>What I'd like to report is not = exactly a bug (or maybe it is) and I'm not really sure if you could fix= it or if I should be writing to someone else.</div><div><br></div><div>I h= ave a blind student who would benefit a lot from using Emacs but, unfortuna= tely, it doesn't work for him because he's on a Mac and Voiceover c= an't read information correctly from the Emacs window (I have installed= the "Emacs for Mac OS X" that can be downloaded from <a href=3D"= http://emacsformacosx.com/">here</a>). A blind friend who runs Emacs on Lin= ux has told me that Orca has the same problem and that emacspeak is the onl= y solution that worked for him.</div><div><br></div><div>The method of inst= allation of emacspeak on a Mac is pretty obscure. I have been able to find = a few old pages with dozens of steps and none of them guarantee that it wil= l work. And, besides, I don't have the necessary skills to try that app= roach either.</div><div><br></div><div>I wonder if the problem with Voiceov= er could be solved from the Emacs side (because, expecting Apple to to anyt= hing is of course ridiculous), which may also solve the problem with Orca.<= /div><div><br></div><div>If there's anything on your power to solve thi= s, I'm sure a lot of people would be very grateful, including me and my= student. If not, could you please point me out to whom I could write for h= elp?</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div><br></div><div>Antonio G= ervasoni</div></div> --047d7b47204e166c55050e6e139a--
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