GNU bug report logs - #25
frame parameter menu-bar-lines changes height of frame

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Subject: RE: bug#25: frame parameter menu-bar-lines changes height of frame
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Too bad. Apparently people have been agreeing that this should be fixed since it
was first discussed when Gerd was in charge - years.

Previously, the reason given for not fixing it at the time was that the release
was imminent and we didn't want to risk the change.

Now, this has simply been downgraded to "wishlist" - poof!  Dommage.

> From: Stefan Monnier Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:07 PM
> severity 25 wishlist
> thanks
> 
> The menu-bar currently isn't counted as part of the "text area" (whose
> size is described by the height and width frame parameters), 
> whereas the tool-bar is.
> 
> I agree that the way the toolbar behaves in this respect is 
> preferable,
> but because Emacs still counts sizes in multiple of lines and columns,
> it also has drawbacks (typically a few pixels wasted between the
> tool-bar and the actual text).
> 
> Hopefully, we'll fix this at some point.

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Subject: Re: frame parameter menu-bar-lines changes height of frame
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severity 25 wishlist
thanks

The menu-bar currently isn't counted as part of the "text area" (whose
size is described by the height and width frame parameters), whereas the
tool-bar is.

I agree that the way the toolbar behaves in this respect is preferable,
but because Emacs still counts sizes in multiple of lines and columns,
it also has drawbacks (typically a few pixels wasted between the
tool-bar and the actual text).

Hopefully, we'll fix this at some point.

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Subject: Re: bug#25: Acknowledgement (frame parameter menu-bar-lines changes 	height of frame)
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> Uh, why are we getting such emails?
> And why does it say to submit further info about the bug to
> "25 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, as before."

This email address is how the bug-tracking system keep track of threads
(instead of using "References:" and "In-Reply-To:").

> We should be able to keep the same thread as the original bug-report mail,
> and reply to that, _as before_.

In what way can't you?  You mean because you now have the bug-gnu-emacs
tread and the 25 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com thread?  If so, it's
a temporary problem which will be sorted out soon by removing the
bug-gnu-emacs (and ultimately sending the new thread to the
bug-gnu-emacs recipients).


        Stefan

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Uh, why are we getting such emails?

And why does it say to submit further info about the bug to
"25 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, as before." As before?

We should be able to keep the same thread as the original bug-report mail,
and reply to that, _as before_. Same thread, subject line, reply-to, etc. We
should continue to be able to sort mails by thread, sender, etc. in our mail
clients, and not have a thread get split into different subjects, addresses,
etc.

Also, there is no inclusion of the original bug report, and no mention of
the date it was filed (10 months ago, in this case - so much for "Thank you
for filing a new bug report"). Instead, there is a URL to a Web site - not
equivalent.

This is not an improvement for users, IMO. Please keep email about a bug
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users this way.

Thx.

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Can we please revisit this now that the release is out?

> From: Drew Adams Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:57 AM
> To: Emacs-Pretest-Bug
> Subject: frame parameter menu-bar-lines changes height of frame
>
> emacs -Q
>
> (make-frame '((width . 70)(height . 50)))
> (modify-frame-parameters (selected-frame) '((menu-bar-lines . 0)))
> (frame-parameters)
> (modify-frame-parameters (selected-frame) '((menu-bar-lines . 1)))
> (frame-parameters)
>
> Adding and removing a menu-bar line changes the visible height of the
> frame (incorrect), but it does not change the `height' frame
> parameter. The correct behavior is that observed for `tool-bar-lines':
> neither the visible frame height nor the `height' parameter is
> changed.

Use (assq 'height (frame-parameters)) to see that the `height'
parameter does not change.

This was first reported 2.5 years ago. Here is the last bit
of discussion about it:

> From: Drew Adams Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:59 AM
> Hi Eli,
> Thanks for your explanation. I understand better now.
>
> I'm fine with this not being fixed before the release. I would
> ask that it be fixed soon thereafter, if possible.
>
> If necessary, we can reopen the discussion of what the behavior
> should be. To me, it should be like the tool-bar behavior. If
> that's not possible in some contexts, then those contexts can be
> treated specially (do the best we can to determine menu-bar height etc.).
>
> Showing and hiding the menu-bar should not change the frame size
> whenever that is avoidable. There is no reason to reduce
> everything to the lowest common denominator, if that denominator
> is bugged behavior. If the bugged behavior is sometimes
> unavoidable, so be it, but let's not use it as the norm.
>
> Thx - Drew
>
> -----------------
>
>     > You've said that the reason to not fix this now or soon is
>     that fixing it
>     > would be difficult. Could you explain why menu-bar-lines is
>     different from
>     > tool-bar-lines in this respect?
>
>     Because, historically, the menu bar was just a line of text at the
>     upper edge of the frame (and still is, in the non-toolkit and tty
>     builds).  Tool bar was never an integral number of text lines.
>
>     > The latter works correctly. Couldn't the tool-bar-lines
>     > implementation (fix) apply also to menu-bar-lines?
>
>     Theoretically, yes.  But even the thread you cited (which started
>     about a different issue, and only touched the menu bar tangentially)
>     reveals that people are divided on what should be the right behavior.
>     There are also other complications, IIRC: the size of the menu bar may
>     not be known with some toolkits, so resizing the text area might be
>     tricky.
>
>     That is why I don't think we should try to fix this now.  The fact
>     that two years have passed (actually much more, since this issue was
>     discussed back when Gerd Moellmann was the head maintainer) is
>     unfortunate, but I think we will shoot in our foot if we add now as
>     yet additional complication in the display-related code.  I fear the
>     redisplay-dont-pause changes already complicated things enough, and
>     might prolong the pretest.  Emacs had this misfeature for a long time,
>     and complaints, if there were any, were minimal.  I think the fix can
>     wait a little longer.


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