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On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, David Reitter wrote:
> On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Adrian Robert wrote:
>>
>> They should probably stay invisible, but OTOH I'm not sure how much
>> user's expectations will be upset by this as I can't think of
>> another Mac app that lets users make windows "invisible". On what
>> basis are you saying it is "non-standard"?
>
> Every other app lets users delete all frames, but not so Emacs.
> Therefore, hiding a frame (or the last frame) serves as a proxy for
> deleting. That's what makes the present behavior unexpected.
I dunno, that sounds a bit like a hack. Maybe the fix is to let emacs
exist without a frame on this platform, but if that's too much of a
break with OTHER platforms (and it might be, at least for
implementation reasons), then perhaps it should just be lived with. I
don't like the idea of supporting invisible frames under NS _at all_.
(In fact, whoever came up with that feature (which is not standard on
ANY platform, while all support iconification or something similar) to
begin with should be questioned intensively by the police, but that's
another issue.. ;-)
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On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Adrian Robert wrote:
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> They should probably stay invisible, but OTOH I'm not sure how much
> user's expectations will be upset by this as I can't think of
> another Mac app that lets users make windows "invisible". On what
> basis are you saying it is "non-standard"?
Every other app lets users delete all frames, but not so Emacs.
Therefore, hiding a frame (or the last frame) serves as a proxy for
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They should probably stay invisible, but OTOH I'm not sure how much
user's expectations will be upset by this as I can't think of another
Mac app that lets users make windows "invisible". On what basis are
you saying it is "non-standard"?
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When starting up the NS port (trunk, on OS X 10.6.1), and then hiding
the frame:
(make-frame-invisible nil t)
and then switching away and back to Emacs (Command-Tab, Command-Tab),
the frame magically re-appears.
It shouldn't do that (it's non-standard).
What seems to happen is that the frame is raised (in front of desktop
level) by the system before windowDidBecomeKey: is received.
I tried keeping the frame hidden in this case, for example via a call
to x_make_frame_invisible (emacsframe) in windowDidBecomeKey:, but the
result was that the menus become non-responsive (menuDown: isn't
called at all!) until some frame is made visible.
A fix or a pointer to what could be wrong with the menu issue would
probably help me produce a fix.
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