GNU bug report logs - #518
Dutch input method flooded with Turkish conversation sequences

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Subject: Re: bug#518: Dutch input method flooded with Turkish conversation sequences
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Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org> writes:

> Maybe this should be fixed by =E2=80=A6,
> and implementing a feature to combine two and more input methods for
> those users who need this.

Strongly agreed!  It would be wonderful if it were possible to combine
input methods.

--=20
Joe


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Heriot-Watt University is a Scottish charity
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Subject: Re: bug#518: Dutch input method flooded with Turkish conversation sequences
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> When I set the input method to "dutch", and I type an 's' followed by
> a comma (which is as common in Dutch as it is in English) I get ş (s
> with a squiggle).  Further, it seems that all characters that are
> needed for typing in Turkish have been given a key sequence in the
> Dutch input method. For someone who just wants to write in Dutch, this
> is frustrating enough for the dutch input method to be not worth using.

Maybe this should be fixed by separating Dutch and Turkish input methods,
and implementing a feature to combine two and more input methods for
those users who need this.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

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On that front, the ij (ij) and IJ (IJ) ligs are not really used.  (They
are only in the UCS for compatability with legacy encodings.)

They should not be part of the default input method.

-JimC
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When I set the input method to "dutch", and I type an 's' followed by a c=
omma (which is as common in Dutch as it is in English) I get =C5=9F (s wi=
th a squiggle).  Further, it seems that all characters that are needed fo=
r typing in Turkish have been given a key sequence in the Dutch input met=
hod. For someone who just wants to write in Dutch, this is frustrating en=
ough for the dutch input method to be not worth using.=20


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