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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 482e52f617bf6f6ca17e8298a6857fd2; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:37:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between <kp-separator> and "."/"," References: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1xqkc77.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmm=YU2SiyJEcmLHuJQc33C-D1Vi_tmOfcsJinmukLLKDA@HIDDEN> <87v8ssi4xi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu8bzul6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnd7eqbs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k097hixh.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu8bemk9.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkujhf44.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mte3el6x.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 19:37:15 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83mte3el6x.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 23 Jun 2022 13:19:34 +0300") Message-ID: <877d57haqc.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 315 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56117 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, stefan@HIDDEN, 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, qsx@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > What I meant was a simple enough key sequence to turn the input method > off and on. If we can do that from Emacs, maybe we should provide > such a feature, it could alleviate the pain in at least some cases. Which key sequence would you suggest binding to such a command?
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 8c889100363a008aafe4591f77889122; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 10:02:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between <kp-separator> and "."/"," References: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1xqkc77.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmm=YU2SiyJEcmLHuJQc33C-D1Vi_tmOfcsJinmukLLKDA@HIDDEN> <87v8ssi4xi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu8bzul6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnd7eqbs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k097hixh.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu8bemk9.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 18:02:35 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83tu8bemk9.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 23 Jun 2022 12:49:58 +0300") Message-ID: <87bkujhf44.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 773 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56117 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, stefan@HIDDEN, 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, qsx@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > And there's absolutely no way for Emacs to get at the original keys? It can by turning the input method off, but as a result any features provided by them will no longer work. Most users prefer working input methods to those few rare keys, so it is on by default. > Or for users to configure their systems so as to work around this > "swallowing"? I have hard time believing that no one has discovered > any workarounds for this misfeature. I feel the same way, but didn't find anything. > Can those system input methods be easily toggled, which would allow to > disable them temporarily, just for the period of time the kp-* keys > are needed? No, we don't have such a feature yet. But it would be possible to implement it.
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Full text available.Received: (at 56117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jun 2022 09:50:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 23 05:50:33 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37465 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1o4JTq-0003FC-05 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 05:50:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1o4JTn-0003Ey-9f for 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 05:50:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39652) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1o4JTf-00006j-Ai; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 05:50:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=KrHOZaX0aYUPHjGSIoF0lnp0Fpm5bIxk6Z2eccRgmWs=; b=MtTq4LW/c4+P YlO87yqKw7d6JSRO7LE5dkFLIgnIs4iSVmlFa+APYNgoqfy466Z5ZFNUeJ2brJoKNLHcgjWRsy69h bg9Wt21dAvu2yHOitcHPWeoW8kudfHfMUNo59OJXARu0EM2sKu5Nfph4+zo0Vq0syRS3HXyGtkT8N r+v8I4CO6YWgwpCrbz2WhJb6WMWSA0FuAUuRnLlxsOfkKUJKqe/00jH5ZqcpqTeQoDJdEy//xGxxW 9bi33seL4jDWVOPT2b4NRNa7saVpq8I5YNgKVX/+MbpY25/KWy/KGsoVgu3mtMUGUDaF/IJRhGerb 50BN1BQxZVZi97QWTpLIDA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4093 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1o4JTU-0003u5-0L; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 05:50:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 12:49:58 +0300 Message-Id: <83tu8bemk9.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87k097hixh.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:40:10 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between <kp-separator> and "."/"," References: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1xqkc77.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmm=YU2SiyJEcmLHuJQc33C-D1Vi_tmOfcsJinmukLLKDA@HIDDEN> <87v8ssi4xi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu8bzul6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnd7eqbs.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k097hixh.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56117 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, stefan@HIDDEN, 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, qsx@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN, > qsx@HIDDEN > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:40:10 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Maybe we are talking about an issue that is not understood well enough > > by some participants (e.g., myself). Can you please describe in more > > detail what causes this particular issue? > > Basically, GTK input methods (which are maintained outside GTK) tend to > "swallow" the difference between keypresses like "C-S-u" and "C-u", > along with the difference between "kp-separator" and the separator > itself. > > The reason is that doing so is slightly more convenient for the input > method developers, and most GTK programs, unlike Emacs, have no need to > tell those keypresses apart. And there's absolutely no way for Emacs to get at the original keys? Or for users to configure their systems so as to work around this "swallowing"? I have hard time believing that no one has discovered any workarounds for this misfeature. Emacs may be rare in its needs of accessing keys, but it cannot be the only application that does that. The NumLock key is there for a reason, and applications do use it. > So in practice, Emacs users either have the choice of disabling the use > of system input methods, or putting up with those issues. Can those system input methods be easily toggled, which would allow to disable them temporarily, just for the period of time the kp-* keys are needed? > They are already documented in PROBLEMS, but somehow we still get a > continuous stream of people reporting them as bugs in Emacs. Because it's an annoying problem, I'm guessing, and the solution has downsides that users perhaps consider annoying as well. PROBLEMS is only a satisfactory solution when a problem is rare or the solution doesn't rob one of too much of useful functionality.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 4426620d01c2f04e73505da1e54ba6a1; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:40:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between <kp-separator> and "."/"," References: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1xqkc77.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmm=YU2SiyJEcmLHuJQc33C-D1Vi_tmOfcsJinmukLLKDA@HIDDEN> <87v8ssi4xi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu8bzul6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnd7eqbs.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:40:10 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83wnd7eqbs.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:28:39 +0300") Message-ID: <87k097hixh.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 876 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56117 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, stefan@HIDDEN, 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, qsx@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Maybe we are talking about an issue that is not understood well enough > by some participants (e.g., myself). Can you please describe in more > detail what causes this particular issue? Basically, GTK input methods (which are maintained outside GTK) tend to "swallow" the difference between keypresses like "C-S-u" and "C-u", along with the difference between "kp-separator" and the separator itself. The reason is that doing so is slightly more convenient for the input method developers, and most GTK programs, unlike Emacs, have no need to tell those keypresses apart. So in practice, Emacs users either have the choice of disabling the use of system input methods, or putting up with those issues. They are already documented in PROBLEMS, but somehow we still get a continuous stream of people reporting them as bugs in Emacs.
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Full text available.Received: (at 56117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jun 2022 08:29:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 23 04:29:11 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37275 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1o4ICz-0000ov-DG for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:29:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48820) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1o4ICv-0000of-VD for 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:28:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1o4ICm-0004JB-U4; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:28:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=vqDAXVxj3wIzIM1FfrS3j6o9RazzBvJiC3w1X4326Yw=; b=b3VHitQRtmRf 62lV8TWOU9YV7pXqhzBEcIMPUtsNnrgi3PPrZGCBH2xU9/Db6X+Tb5nRlMYZJUgcbrVZ+k5Ink70U Ls3dDSJCgEMGqTBiRW+VB4fH5WKq+dWNsnvcEANnew5gsnc6ChTuRPIk3srr9e4dUnz4/2dNJd9c3 ai2uajwCqBo5inOwIN/aHlvRsbUUzq45IvoFxChFFBbNUQ5M8OMBtZ64m6FNMKC7j14yNrNOI53x5 4PuxFUIaQ5FPuLF6/Ie8uOFDkL/ubKm1x9ox6pCZdkvx5vo3JaPP8E1he6qjd7IKhna3uuouTSXjY UCO4IsqaVDHjxgX0PWk5ww==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2936 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1o4ICm-0007jP-3A; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:28:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:28:39 +0300 Message-Id: <83wnd7eqbs.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@HIDDEN> (bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN) Subject: Re: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between <kp-separator> and "."/"," References: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1xqkc77.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmm=YU2SiyJEcmLHuJQc33C-D1Vi_tmOfcsJinmukLLKDA@HIDDEN> <87v8ssi4xi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu8bzul6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56117 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, stefan@HIDDEN, 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, qsx@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN, qsx@HIDDEN > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:16:41 +0800 > From: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> > > Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > > > And as both Eli and I have said, we think those changes you've made to > > pgtk here should be reverted so that these keys work as before. > > This isn't the super-key related bug, and in fact they shouldn't have > been merged. No amount of changes on our side can work around input > methods swallowing the shift modifier in "C-S-u" and the "kp-" in > "kp-separator". Maybe we are talking about an issue that is not understood well enough by some participants (e.g., myself). Can you please describe in more detail what causes this particular issue? > > Even though it's "wrong". Maintaining a user-facing program like > > Emacs is 70% dealing with bugs and misfeatures in other systems we're > > interfacing with. > > I'm trying to figure out how all of that fits together in Wayland to > hopefully fix it in GTK upstream. Hard-coding real modifier values is > very fundamentally wrong under both X and GTK, and leads to extremely > hard-to-diagnose problems down-the-road. Instead of hard-coding them, we could have them in some Lisp data structure, where both changing them and eliminating them altogether will be much easier. Just an idea.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d08fda5a634a11b14837e0f3d9aef1ff; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:16:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between <kp-separator> and "."/"," References: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1xqkc77.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmm=YU2SiyJEcmLHuJQc33C-D1Vi_tmOfcsJinmukLLKDA@HIDDEN> <87v8ssi4xi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu8bzul6.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:16:41 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87tu8bzul6.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 23 Jun 2022 09:51:01 +0200") Message-ID: <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 818 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56117 Cc: "Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>, 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Thomas Schneider <qsx@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > And as both Eli and I have said, we think those changes you've made to > pgtk here should be reverted so that these keys work as before. This isn't the super-key related bug, and in fact they shouldn't have been merged. No amount of changes on our side can work around input methods swallowing the shift modifier in "C-S-u" and the "kp-" in "kp-separator". > Even though it's "wrong". Maintaining a user-facing program like > Emacs is 70% dealing with bugs and misfeatures in other systems we're > interfacing with. I'm trying to figure out how all of that fits together in Wayland to hopefully fix it in GTK upstream. Hard-coding real modifier values is very fundamentally wrong under both X and GTK, and leads to extremely hard-to-diagnose problems down-the-road.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d08fda5a634a11b14837e0f3d9aef1ff; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:16:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between <kp-separator> and "."/"," References: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1xqkc77.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmm=YU2SiyJEcmLHuJQc33C-D1Vi_tmOfcsJinmukLLKDA@HIDDEN> <87v8ssi4xi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tu8bzul6.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:16:41 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87tu8bzul6.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 23 Jun 2022 09:51:01 +0200") Message-ID: <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 818 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.45; envelope-from=luangruo@HIDDEN; helo=sonic317-34.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: "Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>, 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Thomas Schneider <qsx@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > And as both Eli and I have said, we think those changes you've made to > pgtk here should be reverted so that these keys work as before. This isn't the super-key related bug, and in fact they shouldn't have been merged. No amount of changes on our side can work around input methods swallowing the shift modifier in "C-S-u" and the "kp-" in "kp-separator". > Even though it's "wrong". Maintaining a user-facing program like > Emacs is 70% dealing with bugs and misfeatures in other systems we're > interfacing with. I'm trying to figure out how all of that fits together in Wayland to hopefully fix it in GTK upstream. Hard-coding real modifier values is very fundamentally wrong under both X and GTK, and leads to extremely hard-to-diagnose problems down-the-road.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: >> Is this bug a wontfix, then? > > Not exactly, but it's a duplicate of bug#55660 and bug#53200, and > countless others. 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And as both Eli and I have said, we think those changes you've made to pgtk here should be reverted so that these keys work as before. Even though it's "wrong". Maintaining a user-facing program like Emacs is 70% dealing with bugs and misfeatures in other systems we're interfacing with. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: >> Is this bug a wontfix, then? > > Not exactly, but it's a duplicate of bug#55660 and bug#53200, and > countless others. 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And as both Eli and I have said, we think those changes you've made to pgtk here should be reverted so that these keys work as before. Even though it's "wrong". Maintaining a user-facing program like Emacs is 70% dealing with bugs and misfeatures in other systems we're interfacing with. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 866ddd29d079da0bef623ce8361828f2; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 00:45:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between <kp-separator> and "."/"," References: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1xqkc77.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmm=YU2SiyJEcmLHuJQc33C-D1Vi_tmOfcsJinmukLLKDA@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:44:57 +0800 In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmm=YU2SiyJEcmLHuJQc33C-D1Vi_tmOfcsJinmukLLKDA@HIDDEN> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:44:37 -0700") Message-ID: <87v8ssi4xi.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 159 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56117 Cc: 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Thomas Schneider <qsx@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes: > Is this bug a wontfix, then? Not exactly, but it's a duplicate of bug#55660 and bug#53200, and countless others.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b22c9ff631c4f47474f65f3e508c324b; Tue, 21 Jun 2022 02:00:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Thomas Schneider <qsx@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between <kp-separator> and "."/"," References: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 10:00:28 +0800 In-Reply-To: <wwuk09bx7jq.fsf@HIDDEN> (Thomas Schneider's message of "Tue, 21 Jun 2022 01:02:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87y1xqkc77.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 951 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56117 Cc: 56117 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Thomas Schneider <qsx@HIDDEN> writes: > Dear maintainers, > > With =E2=80=9Cclassic=E2=80=9D X11 support in Emacs and GTK (probably the= others, too), > pressing the keypad separator ("," on, e.g., a german keyboard layout, > "." on most others), gave emacs the key <kp-separator>. With pgtk, this > is no longer the case. This is a known problem with several GTK input methods. There is nothing we can do. You can disable using the GTK input method system by running (pgtk-use-im-context nil), but quite obviously input methods and the compose key will no longer work. If you are using X Windows, this, along with many other problems, is why you should not be using the PGTK port. Contrary to popular belief, the "classic" X support is not slower than the PGTK port (in fact, it is often faster), and has much better support for the X window system, including features that are simply absent on PGTK, such as support for drag-and-drop.
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With pgtk, this is no longer the case. This is a feature regression, because it no longer allows, for example, remapping <kp-separator> to "." for `calc-digit-map`, so I can=E2=80=99t en= ter decimal numbers using only the keypad. As a workaround, I currently have (define-key calc-digit-map (kbd ",") "."), but if I wanted to use the vector feature of calc, I=E2=80=99d no longer have the comma. Steps to reproduce: > fictive-window-manager-control set-keyboard-map de > # maybe some locale stuff, who knows > ./configure --with-pgtk && make > src/emacs -Q > C-h k <kp-separator> Expected output: > , (translated from <kp-separator>) runs the command [=E2=80=A6] Actual output: > , runs the command [=E2=80=A6] I traced this a bit. In pgtkterm.c:key_press_event(), pgtkim.c:pgtk_im_filter_keypress() is called, which essentially defers to gtk_im_context_filter_keypress() from GTK. From its documentation[0]: > Allow an input method to internally handle key press and release > events. If this function returns `TRUE`, then no further processing > should be done for this key event. Well, okay. Unfortunately, I barely know enough GTK to get the gist of what is happening here, by far not enough to fix this issue. 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