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The doc string of cl-define-compiler-macro says
"This is like ‘defmacro’, but macro expansion occurs only if the call
to FUNC is compiled (i.e., not interpreted)."
Evaluate the following compiler macro and function in *scratch*:
(cl-define-compiler-macro foo ()
1)
(defun foo ()
2)
Then:
(eval '(foo))
=> 2
(foo)C-j
=> 1
C-j is bound to eval-print-last-sexp, which I wouldn't expect to compile
anything, and its doc string doesn't mention anything AFAICS. Not sure
if that's a bug in the code or something missing in the docs.
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On Dez 31 2022, Gerd Möllmann wrote:
> C-j is bound to eval-print-last-sexp, which I wouldn't expect to compile
> anything, and its doc string doesn't mention anything AFAICS. Not sure if
> that's a bug in the code or something missing in the docs.
eval-print-last-sexp uses macroexpand-all.
(macroexpand-all '(foo)) => 1
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On 31.12.22 15:42, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> On Dez 31 2022, Gerd Möllmann wrote:
>
>> C-j is bound to eval-print-last-sexp, which I wouldn't expect to compile
>> anything, and its doc string doesn't mention anything AFAICS. Not sure if
>> that's a bug in the code or something missing in the docs.
>
> eval-print-last-sexp uses macroexpand-all.
>
> (macroexpand-all '(foo)) => 1
>
Right. And macroexpand-all seems to be closely tied to the compiler, or
the other way round, depending on one's perspective. I personally find
that behavior a bit surprising, but that's just me. If someone wants to
close this bug, please do.
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I was going to open a feature request bug for a function to
specifically expand compiler-macros, but if the behavior reported here
is intended, then I don't really need to.
However, if this is the intended behavior of macroexpand-all, it is
inconsistent with the documentation, which says:
=E2=80=98macroexpand-all=E2=80=99 expands macros like =E2=80=98macroex=
pand=E2=80=99, but will look
for and expand all macros in FORM, not just at the top-level. If
no macros are expanded, the return value is =E2=80=98eq=E2=80=99 to FO=
RM.
But macroexpand is defined in C source code, and definitely *only*
expands function symbols whose value has a car of 'macro.
Could someone determine if this is a bug in macroexpand-all (e.g. it
should be checking whether it is being called while byte-compiling),
or just a documentation bug?
Thanks,
Lynn
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> From: Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 21:59:51 -0400
>
> I was going to open a feature request bug for a function to
> specifically expand compiler-macros, but if the behavior reported here
> is intended, then I don't really need to.
>
> However, if this is the intended behavior of macroexpand-all, it is
> inconsistent with the documentation, which says:
>
> ‘macroexpand-all’ expands macros like ‘macroexpand’, but will look
> for and expand all macros in FORM, not just at the top-level. If
> no macros are expanded, the return value is ‘eq’ to FORM.
>
> But macroexpand is defined in C source code, and definitely *only*
> expands function symbols whose value has a car of 'macro.
>
> Could someone determine if this is a bug in macroexpand-all (e.g. it
> should be checking whether it is being called while byte-compiling),
> or just a documentation bug?
Adding Stefan.
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> The doc string of cl-define-compiler-macro says
> "This is like =E2=80=98defmacro=E2=80=99, but macro expansion occurs on=
ly if the call to
> FUNC is compiled (i.e., not interpreted)."
`cl-define-compiler-macro` is built on top of the "new" ELisp compiler
macro feature. I think that feature is documented vaguely (poorly?)
enough that it does allow expansion (or not) for interpreted code.
> C-j is bound to eval-print-last-sexp, which I wouldn't expect to compile
> anything, and its doc string doesn't mention anything AFAICS. Not sure if
> that's a bug in the code or something missing in the docs.
Trying to distinguish those calls to `macroexpand-all` which come from
the compiler from those that come from elsewhere doesn't seem worth the
trouble, so I'd rather consider it as a doc bug.
The doc should also make it clear that contrary to `defmacro` there is
no guarantee that it will be called (nor *when* it's called).
Stefan
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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>> The doc string of cl-define-compiler-macro says
>> "This is like =E2=80=98defmacro=E2=80=99, but macro expansion occurs o=
nly if the call to
>> FUNC is compiled (i.e., not interpreted)."
>
> `cl-define-compiler-macro` is built on top of the "new" ELisp compiler
> macro feature. I think that feature is documented vaguely (poorly?)
> enough that it does allow expansion (or not) for interpreted code.
>
>> C-j is bound to eval-print-last-sexp, which I wouldn't expect to compile
>> anything, and its doc string doesn't mention anything AFAICS. Not sure =
if
>> that's a bug in the code or something missing in the docs.
>
> Trying to distinguish those calls to `macroexpand-all` which come from
> the compiler from those that come from elsewhere doesn't seem worth the
> trouble, so I'd rather consider it as a doc bug.
>
> The doc should also make it clear that contrary to `defmacro` there is
> no guarantee that it will be called (nor *when* it's called).
I don't think that this will be changed, so I'm closing this bug.
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