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First, let me just say that I'm aware of some problems with the custom-save-all approach to modify the custom-file. It was reported in Bug#14150, but, while a different approach to fix Bug#14150 could also solve this bug, I'm still not sure if the use case in files-x.el is a supported one. Both functions, connection-local-set-profile-variables and connection-local-set-profiles modify 2 defcustoms, and want to tell Custom that a change has happened. The usual way to do that is to call customize-set-variable, because the assumption is that the user used some command provided by a package to modify the option. And the setting lasts for the session, of course. But the surprise in Bug#62106 was that the users weren't requesting these changes in the options. It was done without a choice. So, the code was changed to use custom-set-variables, which is used in the custom-file and which means all the settings here should persist from session to session. So, in addition to modifying the user option without a choice, the code then said that these modifications should be saved. That's even worse, which should show that custom-set-variables is just the wrong tool here. Of course, there's the workaround of resetting saved-value to nil if possible. But that just means that if the user has a saved setting, he/she could possibly end up with all settings added by a package too. Of course, if Custom had other approach for saving the settings, that would not happen, but it wouldn't happen if the code weren't lying to Custom either. And please note that a similar workaround could be added if the code used customize-set-variable still. But here is my first question, if packages are going to be changing this 2 options without asking the user about it, why do the packages need to lie to Custom saying that the user asked for that? Why don't just setq, add-to-list or modify it some other way? At least that way Custom would know the truth, the setting was changed outside of Customize. That's why I don't understand what is the expectation about Custom here (apart from being less naive when saving the custom-file). The code is modifying a user option and tells Custom that it was upon the user request, when in fact it hasn't. Finally, have you considered the approach of having the user option plus another variable which packages should modify when desired? Then the code could merge the user settings with the package settings.
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I've modified several options using the >> > menu-bar's Options menu, then typed >> > >> > M-x customize-save-variable RET truncate-lines RET y >> > >> > and saw that only truncate-lines was written to the custom file. >> > >> > If you see something else, please show a complete recipe that >> > reproduces the behavior you see. >> >> custom-set-variables > > That's a different function. I was talking about > customize-save-variable. I know. I just wanted to clarify, where the saved-value of other user options is set. And customize-save-variable, although invoked with just one variable, saves *all* variables with a saved-value property, IIUC. A recipe you have asked for could be =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (defcustom a nil "" :type 'boolean) (defcustom b nil "" :type 'boolean) (defcustom c nil "" :type 'boolean) (custom-set-variables '(a t) '(b t)) ;; Nothing happened so far in the init file. (customize-save-variable 'c t) ;; Your init file contains then (custom-set-variables ;; custom-set-variables was added by Custom. ;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be careful. ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance. ;; If there is more than one, they won't work right. '(a t) '(b t) '(c t) ...) =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Best regards, Michael.
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I've modified several options using the > menu-bar's Options menu, then typed > > M-x customize-save-variable RET truncate-lines RET y > > and saw that only truncate-lines was written to the custom file. > > If you see something else, please show a complete recipe that > reproduces the behavior you see. custom-set-variables sets the saved-value property of the variables. This is what is called in connection-local-set-profiles and connection-local-set-profile-variables. Best regards, Michael.
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When custom-s= ave-all naively scans the obarray for symbols, sees these variables havin= g saved-value set without going through the customize machinary, it assum= es they are saved to a file and saves them again. On 4 Jun 2023 at 3:25 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz=40gnu.org>, wrote: > > Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 15:00:01 +0100 > > =46rom: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho=40gmail.com> > > Cc: 63891=40debbugs.gnu.org > > > > This branch: https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/emacs-29/lisp= /cus-edit.el=23L1109 > > I don't know what that is. I'm using the Emacs Git repository, the > emacs-29 branch. > > > No it does not saves only one variable to file, it only saves one var= iable to file if you have only modified > > one variable. > > That's not what I see. I've modified several options using the > menu-bar's Options menu, then typed > > M-x customize-save-variable RET truncate-lines RET y > > and saw that only truncate-lines was written to the custom file. > > If you see something else, please show a complete recipe that > reproduces the behavior you see. > > > As a matter of fact, custom-variable-save, custom-variable-mark-to-re= set-standard, > > custom-face-save, custom-face-mark-to-reset-standard and custom-group= -save all have the same > > problem. They all call custom-save-all and they all dump all modified= customizable variable values on > > file without regard to whether it=E2=80=99s a single variable, face o= r a group the user asked Emacs to save. > > I wasn't talking about custom-save-all -- that indeed saves all the > options customized in this session. I was talking about > customize-save-variable, which prompts for a single variable and its > value, and saves only that single variable, at least in my testing. --647cc0a1_37a35d46_436 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline <html xmlns=3D=22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml=22> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> <div name=3D=22messageBodySection=22> <div dir=3D=22auto=22>Ok you are right, the problem seems to be somewhere= in Tramp on require that sets the saved-value symbol property of connect= ion-local-profile-alist and connection-local-criteria-alist without them = being written to file, even when enable-connection-local-variables is set= to nil. When custom-save-all naively scans the obarray for symbols, sees= these variables having saved-value set without going through the customi= ze machinary, it assumes they are saved to a file and saves them again.</= div> </div> <div name=3D=22messageReplySection=22>On 4 Jun 2023 at 3:25 PM +0100, Eli= Zaretskii <eliz=40gnu.org>, wrote:<br /> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-color: grey; border-= left-width: thin; border-left-style: solid; margin: 5px 5px;padding-left:= 10px;=22> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22>Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 15:00:01 +0100<br /> =46rom: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho=40gmail.com><br /> Cc: 63891=40debbugs.gnu.org<br /> <br /> This branch: https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/emacs-29/lisp/cus= -edit.el=23L1109<br /></blockquote> <br /> I don't know what that is. I'm using the Emacs Git repository, the<br /> emacs-29 branch.<br /> <br /> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22>No it does not saves only one variable to f= ile, it only saves one variable to file if you have only modified<br /> one variable.<br /></blockquote> <br /> That's not what I see. I've modified several options using the<br /> menu-bar's Options menu, then typed<br /> <br /> M-x customize-save-variable RET truncate-lines RET y<br /> <br /> and saw that only truncate-lines was written to the custom file.<br /> <br /> If you see something else, please show a complete recipe that<br /> reproduces the behavior you see.<br /> <br /> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22>As a matter of fact, custom-variable-save, = custom-variable-mark-to-reset-standard,<br /> custom-face-save, custom-face-mark-to-reset-standard and custom-group-sav= e all have the same<br /> problem. They all call custom-save-all and they all dump all modified cus= tomizable variable values on<br /> file without regard to whether it=E2=80=99s a single variable, face or a = group the user asked Emacs to save.<br /></blockquote> <br /> I wasn't talking about custom-save-all -- that indeed saves all the<br />= options customized in this session. I was talking about<br /> customize-save-variable, which prompts for a single variable and its<br /= > value, and saves only that single variable, at least in my testing.<br />= </blockquote> </div> </body> </html> --647cc0a1_37a35d46_436--
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As a matter of fact, custom-variable-save, custom-variable-mark-to-reset-= standard, custom-face-save, custom-face-mark-to-reset-standard and custom= -group-save all have the same problem. They all call custom-save-all and = they all dump all modified customizable variable values on file without r= egard to whether it=E2=80=99s a single variable, face or a group the user= asked Emacs to save. On 4 Jun 2023 at 2:23 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz=40gnu.org>, wrote: > > Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 14:02:55 +0100 > > =46rom: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho=40gmail.com> > > Cc: 63891=40debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Yes sorry, I mean customize-save-variable, custom-save-variable doesn= =E2=80=99t exist. There=E2=80=99s a branch in > > customize-save-variable that saves all previously updated variables t= o the custom file if it exists. > > I don't think I understand. customize-save-variable saves only a > single variable: the one whose name you type, with the value you type. > Which branch there does more, and how can you invoke that branch=3F > > > I just took a look at cus-edit.el, there appears to be no function th= at can surgically serialize just one > > variable value to the custom file. > > customize-save-variable is that function. --647c98e6_5263979_436 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline <html xmlns=3D=22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml=22> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> <div name=3D=22messageBodySection=22> <div dir=3D=22auto=22>This branch: https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/= blob/emacs-29/lisp/cus-edit.el=23L1109<br /> <br /> No it does not saves only one variable to file, it only saves one variabl= e to file if you have only modified one variable.<br /> <br /> As a matter of fact, custom-variable-save, custom-variable-mark-to-reset-= standard, custom-face-save, custom-face-mark-to-reset-standard and custom= -group-save all have the same problem. They all call custom-save-all and = they all dump all modified customizable variable values on file without r= egard to whether it=E2=80=99s a single variable, face or a group the user= asked Emacs to save.</div> </div> <div name=3D=22messageReplySection=22>On 4 Jun 2023 at 2:23 PM +0100, Eli= Zaretskii <eliz=40gnu.org>, wrote:<br /> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-color: grey; border-= left-width: thin; border-left-style: solid; margin: 5px 5px;padding-left:= 10px;=22> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22>Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 14:02:55 +0100<br /> =46rom: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho=40gmail.com><br /> Cc: 63891=40debbugs.gnu.org<br /> <br /> Yes sorry, I mean customize-save-variable, custom-save-variable doesn=E2=80= =99t exist. There=E2=80=99s a branch in<br /> customize-save-variable that saves all previously updated variables to th= e custom file if it exists.<br /></blockquote> <br /> I don't think I understand. customize-save-variable saves only a<br /> single variable: the one whose name you type, with the value you type.<br= /> Which branch there does more, and how can you invoke that branch=3F<br />= <br /> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22>I just took a look at cus-edit.el, there ap= pears to be no function that can surgically serialize just one<br /> variable value to the custom file.<br /></blockquote> <br /> customize-save-variable is that function.<br /></blockquote> </div> </body> </html> --647c98e6_5263979_436--
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Full text available.Received: (at 63891) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jun 2023 13:23:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 04 09:23:11 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45351 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1q5nhP-0001HR-4X for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 09:23:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54206) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1q5nhM-0001H5-8W for 63891 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 09:23:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1q5nhG-0004zK-UG; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 09:23:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=aDi5nJ8aX70qZZdCGU7ZgEr1soJsSMD1NlX3fhMV+Qs=; b=lpYctD8OFvywRNHEA2m8 2LFVuSs83jniXwIYQFsr/41rti4UFGP1sw1XCKEMlWs4l6g/7rQnnpiDwIAgHRUIPkc4aQ/e2f726 EeN3g3ik6opv9Rk63tG+EjmVM6r2Jeihh4G0u1koO+a8Gmfre+RpaAXpzB+8YjT3xviUIOj6irjKj kMoAVhjLkz62JyfT0lUPggYKvZwPoem3KGbCfioRY1k1aTrgNrAyRwTf3KLb8TbVYrahxGuxRNja0 fR7UXkmL7qOETzZ31e9UZOaBQq5xkg2T1S9FI8/uFY/Bo8kAf0sYj851VA2TsQPuwdJkjiEANbutL D9RV11GmI+Ai6g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1q5nhG-00010T-EK; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 09:23:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 16:23:56 +0300 Message-Id: <83jzwj5pjn.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <28e951a5-7065-4c55-b6d0-88238e8cc5eb@Spark> (message from Jimmy Wong on Sun, 4 Jun 2023 14:02:55 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#63891: 29.0.91; customize-save-variable should not save all variables if a custom file exists References: <m24jnns8tt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83legz5qsu.fsf@HIDDEN> <28e951a5-7065-4c55-b6d0-88238e8cc5eb@Spark> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63891 Cc: 63891 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 14:02:55 +0100 > From: Jimmy Wong <wyuenho@HIDDEN> > Cc: 63891 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Yes sorry, I mean customize-save-variable, custom-save-variable doesn’t exist. There’s a branch in > customize-save-variable that saves all previously updated variables to the custom file if it exists. I don't think I understand. customize-save-variable saves only a single variable: the one whose name you type, with the value you type. Which branch there does more, and how can you invoke that branch? > I just took a look at cus-edit.el, there appears to be no function that can surgically serialize just one > variable value to the custom file. customize-save-variable is that function.
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There=E2=80=99s a branch in customize-save-variable that save= s all previously updated variables to the custom file if it exists. I just took a look at cus-edit.el, there appears to be no function that c= an surgically serialize just one variable value to the custom file. =46ix= ing this the right way will probably involve changing all the places that= call custom-save-all and still arguably result in a breaking change. On 4 Jun 2023 at 1:55 PM +0100, Eli Zaretskii <eliz=40gnu.org>, wrote: > > =46rom: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong <wyuenho=40gmail.com> > > Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 13:36:30 +0100 > > > > > > As a discussion from bug =2363300, it appears this long standing > > undocumented behavior of =60custom-save-variable=60 is coming into co= nflict > > with the introduction of =60connection-local-*=60 variables being use= r > > customizable and the fact that Tramp in Emacs 29 sets them on > > load. Here's a scenario where the combination of these behaviors resu= lts > > in one too many surprises: > > > > 0. (setf custom-file =22=7E/.emacs.d/custom.el=22) > > 1. M-x load-library tramp (or install a package that transitively > > requires tramp, without the user knowning) > > 2. Now =60connection-local-profile-alist=60 and > > =60connection-local-criteria-alist=60 are set by > > =60hack-connection-local-variables-apply=60. > > 3. M-x list-packages > > 4. Installs a new package > > 5. Now in addition to =60package-selected-packages=60 being updated, = 2 > > gigantic variables are also saved. Since these connection-local > > variables are highly machine, application and connection dependent, > > saving them into the custom file will make it very annoying to be sha= red > > across multiple machines. This violates the principle of least > > astonishment. > > I think the connection-local variables should be simple variables, > initialized from corresponding user options. Then Tramp could hack > the variables without fear of clobbering user customizations. > > Michael, can this be done on emacs-29 safely enough=3F > > > Expectation: > > > > =60custom-save-variable=60 should only save the value of one variable= > > regardless of whether a custom file exists. > > How is custom-save-variable involved in the above scenario=3F > > And what is custom-save-variable=3F did you mean customize-save-variabl= e > instead=3F That one does save just one variable, the one you type at > the prompt. --647c8b84_2cbcc4c3_436 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline <html xmlns=3D=22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml=22> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> <div name=3D=22messageBodySection=22> <div dir=3D=22auto=22>Yes sorry, I mean customize-save-variable, custom-s= ave-variable doesn=E2=80=99t exist. There=E2=80=99s a branch in customize= -save-variable that saves all previously updated variables to the custom = file if it exists.<br /> <br /> I just took a look at cus-edit.el, there appears to be no function that c= an surgically serialize just one variable value to the custom file. =46ix= ing this the right way will probably involve changing all the places that= call custom-save-all and still arguably result in a breaking change.</di= v> </div> <div name=3D=22messageReplySection=22>On 4 Jun 2023 at 1:55 PM +0100, Eli= Zaretskii <eliz=40gnu.org>, wrote:<br /> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-color: grey; border-= left-width: thin; border-left-style: solid; margin: 5px 5px;padding-left:= 10px;=22> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22>=46rom: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong <wyuenho=40gm= ail.com><br /> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 13:36:30 +0100<br /> <br /> <br /> As a discussion from bug =2363300, it appears this long standing<br /> undocumented behavior of =60custom-save-variable=60 is coming into confli= ct<br /> with the introduction of =60connection-local-*=60 variables being user<br= /> customizable and the fact that Tramp in Emacs 29 sets them on<br /> load. Here's a scenario where the combination of these behaviors results<= br /> in one too many surprises:<br /> <br /> 0. (setf custom-file =22=7E/.emacs.d/custom.el=22)<br /> 1. M-x load-library tramp (or install a package that transitively<br /> requires tramp, without the user knowning)<br /> 2. Now =60connection-local-profile-alist=60 and<br /> =60connection-local-criteria-alist=60 are set by<br /> =60hack-connection-local-variables-apply=60.<br /> 3. M-x list-packages<br /> 4. Installs a new package<br /> 5. Now in addition to =60package-selected-packages=60 being updated, 2<br= /> gigantic variables are also saved. Since these connection-local<br /> variables are highly machine, application and connection dependent,<br />= saving them into the custom file will make it very annoying to be shared<= br /> across multiple machines. This violates the principle of least<br /> astonishment.<br /></blockquote> <br /> I think the connection-local variables should be simple variables,<br /> initialized from corresponding user options. Then Tramp could hack<br /> the variables without fear of clobbering user customizations.<br /> <br /> Michael, can this be done on emacs-29 safely enough=3F<br /> <br /> <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22>Expectation:<br /> <br /> =60custom-save-variable=60 should only save the value of one variable<br = /> regardless of whether a custom file exists.<br /></blockquote> <br /> How is custom-save-variable involved in the above scenario=3F<br /> <br /> And what is custom-save-variable=3F did you mean customize-save-variable<= br /> instead=3F That one does save just one variable, the one you type at<br /= > the prompt.<br /></blockquote> </div> </body> </html> --647c8b84_2cbcc4c3_436--
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Sun, 04 Jun 2023 05:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong <wyuenho@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 29.0.91; customize-save-variable should not save all variables if a custom file exists Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 13:36:30 +0100 Message-ID: <m24jnns8tt.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::42f; envelope-from=wyuenho@HIDDEN; helo=mail-wr1-x42f.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) As a discussion from bug #63300, it appears this long standing undocumented behavior of `custom-save-variable` is coming into conflict with the introduction of `connection-local-*` variables being user customizable and the fact that Tramp in Emacs 29 sets them on load. Here's a scenario where the combination of these behaviors results in one too many surprises: 0. (setf custom-file "~/.emacs.d/custom.el") 1. M-x load-library tramp (or install a package that transitively requires tramp, without the user knowning) 2. Now `connection-local-profile-alist` and `connection-local-criteria-alist` are set by `hack-connection-local-variables-apply`. 3. M-x list-packages 4. Installs a new package 5. Now in addition to `package-selected-packages` being updated, 2 gigantic variables are also saved. Since these connection-local variables are highly machine, application and connection dependent, saving them into the custom file will make it very annoying to be shared across multiple machines. This violates the principle of least astonishment. Expectation: `custom-save-variable` should only save the value of one variable regardless of whether a custom file exists.
Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong <wyuenho@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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