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29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists

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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:15:50 -0400

Package: Emacs
Version: 29.0.91


    % src/emacs -Q
    M-x emoji-insert RET
    s s

I expect at this point to see a list of "smiling Smiley" emojis
displayed in the small bottom window, but instead that window is empty
(there's just a one-pixel-thick line about one-char wide at the very
top-left) and it sits there.  At this point I get the impression that
this bottom window is actually gone and I'm now looking at an unusually
high empty echo area.  But if I try to type characters, I'm met with
messages like:

    Unbound suffix: 'a' (Use 'C-g' to abort, '?' for help) [self-insert-command]

if I hit `?` I get:

    Error in post-command-hook (transient--post-command): (error "Invalid search bound (wrong side of point)")

There are several bugs here (probably parts in `emoji.el` and parts in
`transient.el`):

1- The list shouldn't be empty, right?
2- If really the list should be empty, then it would be better after the
   first `s` not to offer me a second `s` choice if that choice leads nowhere.
3- Once I get to this empty list, the state is quite confusing.
   It would be desirable to emit a message about the fact that there's
   no valid choice at this point and that `C-g` and `?` are the only
   options (assuming these are really the only options).
4- The search-bound error, of course.

Side note: during this `emoji-insert` interaction, I only see
black&white emojis, so maybe this is linked to some compilation option
I used which prevents the use of color emojis, tho I don't know what
that option would be.


        Stefan


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Message #8 received at 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 05:29:39 +0300

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 14:15:50 -0400
> From:  Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
> 
>     % src/emacs -Q
>     M-x emoji-insert RET
>     s s
> 
> I expect at this point to see a list of "smiling Smiley" emojis
> displayed in the small bottom window, but instead that window is empty
> (there's just a one-pixel-thick line about one-char wide at the very
> top-left) and it sits there.

I cannot reproduce this, neither in the 29.0.91 pretest nor in the
current emacs-29 branch.  I get the behavior you expected: a small
window at the bottom of the frame showing some smileys.

> Side note: during this `emoji-insert` interaction, I only see
> black&white emojis, so maybe this is linked to some compilation option
> I used which prevents the use of color emojis, tho I don't know what
> that option would be.

Do you have Noto Color Emoji font installed?

Message #11 received at 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 16:49:26 -0400

>>     % src/emacs -Q
>>     M-x emoji-insert RET
>>     s s
>> 
>> I expect at this point to see a list of "smiling Smiley" emojis
>> displayed in the small bottom window, but instead that window is empty
>> (there's just a one-pixel-thick line about one-char wide at the very
>> top-left) and it sits there.
>
> I cannot reproduce this, neither in the 29.0.91 pretest nor in the
> current emacs-29 branch.  I get the behavior you expected: a small
> window at the bottom of the frame showing some smileys.

I think the problems only appear if the list of emojis becomes empty.

>> Side note: during this `emoji-insert` interaction, I only see
>> black&white emojis, so maybe this is linked to some compilation option
>> I used which prevents the use of color emojis, tho I don't know what
>> that option would be.
> Do you have Noto Color Emoji font installed?

Here I get the normal/expected behavior and I do have
`fonts-noto-color-emoji` installed but on the machine where I see the
problem that package is indeed not installed.

So I guess to reproduce the problem you need to use a machine that
has sufficiently few fonts that the list of emojis becomes empty in the
category that you select (such as "smiling smileys").


        Stefan

Message #14 received at 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>, 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 21:36:59 +0000

>> % src/emacs -Q
>> M-x emoji-insert RET
>> s s
>>
>> I expect at this point to see a list of "smiling Smiley" emojis 
>> displayed in the small bottom window, but instead that window is empty 
>> (there's just a one-pixel-thick line about one-char wide at the very 
>> top-left) and it sits there.
>
> I cannot reproduce this, neither in the 29.0.91 pretest nor in the 
> current emacs-29 branch.  I get the behavior you expected: a small 
> window at the bottom of the frame showing some smileys.
>

FWIW, I can easily reproduce this by removing the fonts-noto-color-emoji 
package.

Perhaps the emoji-* commands (C-x 8 e [eilrs]) should simply error out 
when (list-fonts (font-spec :script 'emoji)) is nil?

Message #17 received at 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 18:49:20 -0400

> Perhaps the emoji-* commands (C-x 8 e [eilrs]) should simply error out when
> (list-fonts (font-spec :script 'emoji)) is nil?

FWIW, I do like being able to insert some emojis even if I don't have
access to all of them (and actually I'd even be happy to insert them
without being able to see them, assuming I can see their name
instead :-)

I notice also the list of "recent" emojis is not filtered according to
the available fonts, so I see tofu for some of them.  It would be good
to replace the tofu with a readable description.


        Stefan

Message #20 received at 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 23:05:59 +0000

>> Perhaps the emoji-* commands (C-x 8 e [eilrs]) should simply error out 
>> when (list-fonts (font-spec :script 'emoji)) is nil?
>
> FWIW, I do like being able to insert some emojis even if I don't have 
> access to all of them (and actually I'd even be happy to insert them 
> without being able to see them, assuming I can see their name instead 
> :-)
>

Yes, but you can still do that with C-x 8 RET, right?  The C-x 8 e 
commands use transient menus, and (as you described in the bug report) 
don't quite work when a suitable emoji font is not available.

In theory, another option would be to display, in these transient menus, 
emoji names instead of emoji characters when no emoji font is available, 
but there is not enough room for list of names such as "SMILING FACE WITH 
SMILING EYES AND HAND COVERING MOUTH" (which fit better in *Completions*).

Message #23 received at 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org>
Cc: monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca, 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:17:00 +0300

> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 23:05:59 +0000
> From: Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org>
> cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> 
> >> Perhaps the emoji-* commands (C-x 8 e [eilrs]) should simply error out 
> >> when (list-fonts (font-spec :script 'emoji)) is nil?
> >
> > FWIW, I do like being able to insert some emojis even if I don't have 
> > access to all of them (and actually I'd even be happy to insert them 
> > without being able to see them, assuming I can see their name instead 
> > :-)
> >
> 
> Yes, but you can still do that with C-x 8 RET, right?  The C-x 8 e 
> commands use transient menus, and (as you described in the bug report) 
> don't quite work when a suitable emoji font is not available.
> 
> In theory, another option would be to display, in these transient menus, 
> emoji names instead of emoji characters when no emoji font is available, 
> but there is not enough room for list of names such as "SMILING FACE WITH 
> SMILING EYES AND HAND COVERING MOUTH" (which fit better in *Completions*).

We have the "emoji" input method, which can help here, I think.

Message #26 received at 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca, 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:12:45 +0000

>>>> Perhaps the emoji-* commands (C-x 8 e [eilrs]) should simply error 
>>>> out when (list-fonts (font-spec :script 'emoji)) is nil?
>>>
>>> FWIW, I do like being able to insert some emojis even if I don't have 
>>> access to all of them (and actually I'd even be happy to insert them 
>>> without being able to see them, assuming I can see their name instead 
>>> :-)
>>
>> Yes, but you can still do that with C-x 8 RET, right?  The C-x 8 e 
>> commands use transient menus, and (as you described in the bug report) 
>> don't quite work when a suitable emoji font is not available.
>>
>> In theory, another option would be to display, in these transient 
>> menus, emoji names instead of emoji characters when no emoji font is 
>> available, but there is not enough room for list of names such as 
>> "SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES AND HAND COVERING MOUTH" (which fit 
>> better in *Completions*).
>
> We have the "emoji" input method, which can help here, I think.
>

That's yet another way to do it.  But without a suitable font it doesn't 
work well either, e.g. after :) you see a list of four possible choices 
which are displayed in the echo area with tofus.

Message #29 received at 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca,
 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 10:30:41 +0200

>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:12:45 +0000, Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org> said:

    >>>>> Perhaps the emoji-* commands (C-x 8 e [eilrs]) should simply
    >>>>> error out when (list-fonts (font-spec :script 'emoji)) is nil?
    >>>>

That would stop you using them in tty frames, where they work fine.

    >>>> FWIW, I do like being able to insert some emojis even if I don't
    >>>> have access to all of them (and actually I'd even be happy to
    >>>> insert them without being able to see them, assuming I can see
    >>>> their name instead :-)
    >>> 
    >>> Yes, but you can still do that with C-x 8 RET, right?  The C-x 8 e
    >>> commands use transient menus, and (as you described in the bug
    >>> report) don't quite work when a suitable emoji font is not
    >>> available.
    >>> 
    >>> In theory, another option would be to display, in these transient
    >>> menus, emoji names instead of emoji characters when no emoji font
    >>> is available, but there is not enough room for list of names such
    >>> as "SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES AND HAND COVERING MOUTH" (which
    >>> fit better in *Completions*).
    >>

"C-x 8 e s" already does that, we could extend it to "C-x 8 e e". Once
youʼre down to half a dozen emoji it should fit fine.

Robert
-- 

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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca,
 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:41:38 +0000

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>> Perhaps the emoji-* commands (C-x 8 e [eilrs]) should simply error out 
>> when (list-fonts (font-spec :script 'emoji)) is nil?
>
> That would stop you using them in tty frames, where they work fine.
>

That "(list-fonts (font-spec :script 'emoji))" was not a patch, just an 
idea, and indeed for TTY frames, where emojis can (but do not always) work 
fine, it should be skipped.

>
> "C-x 8 e s" already does that, we could extend it to "C-x 8 e e". Once 
> youʼre down to half a dozen emoji it should fit fine.
>

Yes, C-x 8 e s uses the standard *Completions* buffer.  The point of 
Stefan's bug report is that C-x 8 e i doesn't, and when no suitable font 
is available it's not really usable.

Message #35 received at 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Gregory Heytings <gregory <at> heytings.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca,
 64024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64024: 29.0.91; `emoji-insert` shows me confusing empty lists
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:44:34 +0000

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>> "C-x 8 e s" already does that, we could extend it to "C-x 8 e e". Once 
>> youʼre down to half a dozen emoji it should fit fine.
>
> Yes, C-x 8 e s uses the standard *Completions* buffer.  The point of 
> Stefan's bug report is that C-x 8 e i doesn't, and when no suitable font 
> is available it's not really usable.
>

BTW, perhaps C-x 8 e i could automatically fall back to C-x 8 e s when no 
suitable font is available?

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