Received: (at 64759) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2023 17:05:24 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 25 13:05:24 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qOLTP-0004Fe-US for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:05:24 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::227]:57813) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1qOLTO-0004FN-Lm for 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:05:23 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ECE872000C; Tue, 25 Jul 2023 17:05:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64759: Broken faces In-Reply-To: <83ila9qigb.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:21:08 +0300") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <86fs5h4vo2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fs5h1z38.fsf@HIDDEN> <86bkg53cau.fsf@HIDDEN> <c68de499-1a86-3cf6-6224-3c97c554c676@HIDDEN> <86ilad1bhn.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r0p19q0r.fsf@HIDDEN> <86tttxywxu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o7k59kpv.fsf@HIDDEN> <86h6pxyubj.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lef99js7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86351d5i22.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ila9qigb.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 20:04:16 +0300 Message-ID: <86r0ow53t7.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64759 Cc: 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, maurooaranda@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> The semantics of nil could be the same as '((t nil)). > > And what is the semantics of '((t nil)) ? What attributes will the > face have when realized? No attributes. This is the standard value used by empty faces. >> Do you agree that currently the value '((t nil)) >> should be used for faces without default face attributes? > > Yes, I think so. If no better face to inherit from is available in > each such case, that is. This means these faces should have by default '((t nil)): semantic-decoration-on-includes, shr-h4, shr-h5, shr-h6, nxml-text, nxml-delimiter, nxml-element-colon, makefile-shell as before?
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> From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>
> Cc: maurooaranda@HIDDEN, 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 20:51:57 +0300
>
> >> Thanks, I confirm that '((t nil)) solves this problem.
> >> If a nil value can't be supported for faces, then
> >> let's use '((t nil)).
> >
> > What do you expect this to produce for the face attributes?
>
> Let's see: when the definition is
>
> (defface display-time-date-and-time
> nil
> "Face for `display-time-format'."
> :group 'mode-line-faces
> :version "30.1")
>
> then the customization buffer is
>
> Hide display-time-date-and-time face: [sample]
> State : NO CUSTOMIZATION DATA; not intended to be customized.
> Face for ‘display-time-format’.
> -- Empty face --
> Show All Attributes
>
> But when the definition is
>
> (defface display-time-date-and-time
> '((t nil))
> "Face for `display-time-format'."
> :group 'mode-line-faces
> :version "30.1")
>
> the customization buffer is
>
> Hide display-time-date-and-time face: [sample]
> State : STANDARD.
> Face for ‘display-time-format’.
> -- Empty face --
> Show All Attributes
>
> Looks nice. No strange error message about not intended to be customized.
That's not what I asked. I asked about the face attributes.
IOW, isn't
(defface display-time-date-and-time
'((t nil))
"Face for `display-time-format'."
:group 'mode-line-faces
:version "30.1")
the same as
(defface display-time-date-and-time
'((t (:inherit default)))
"Face for `display-time-format'."
:group 'mode-line-faces
:version "30.1")
?
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>> Thanks, I confirm that '((t nil)) solves this problem.
>> If a nil value can't be supported for faces, then
>> let's use '((t nil)).
>
> What do you expect this to produce for the face attributes?
Let's see: when the definition is
(defface display-time-date-and-time
nil
"Face for `display-time-format'."
:group 'mode-line-faces
:version "30.1")
then the customization buffer is
Hide display-time-date-and-time face: [sample]
State : NO CUSTOMIZATION DATA; not intended to be customized.
Face for ‘display-time-format’.
-- Empty face --
Show All Attributes
But when the definition is
(defface display-time-date-and-time
'((t nil))
"Face for `display-time-format'."
:group 'mode-line-faces
:version "30.1")
the customization buffer is
Hide display-time-date-and-time face: [sample]
State : STANDARD.
Face for ‘display-time-format’.
-- Empty face --
Show All Attributes
Looks nice. No strange error message about not intended to be customized.
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Full text available.Received: (at 64759) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 16:22:49 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 21 12:22:49 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34721 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qMsu1-0006iy-IZ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:22:49 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::227]:57765) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1qMstz-0006iX-Ql for 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:22:48 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB1E02000A; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:22:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64759: Broken faces In-Reply-To: <c68de499-1a86-3cf6-6224-3c97c554c676@HIDDEN> (Mauro Aranda's message of "Fri, 21 Jul 2023 07:48:30 -0300") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <86fs5h4vo2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fs5h1z38.fsf@HIDDEN> <86bkg53cau.fsf@HIDDEN> <c68de499-1a86-3cf6-6224-3c97c554c676@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:21:40 +0300 Message-ID: <86ilad1bhn.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64759 Cc: 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > But it seems to me that it's better to define it like this: > (defface foo '((t nil)) "...") > so that the face gets a face-defface-spec property. > > So maybe the definition for display-time-date-and-time should be changed > to: > (defface display-time-date-and-time > '((t nil)) > "Face for `display-time-format'." > :group 'mode-line-faces > :version "30.1") > > instead that making it inherit from mode-line? Thanks, I confirm that '((t nil)) solves this problem. If a nil value can't be supported for faces, then let's use '((t nil)).
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Full text available.Received: (at 64759) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 16:22:44 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 21 12:22:44 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qMstw-0006if-At for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:22:44 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:60491) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1qMstu-0006iQ-I9 for 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:22:43 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9562840004; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:22:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64759: Broken faces In-Reply-To: <83a5vp1qmu.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 21 Jul 2023 13:54:33 +0300") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <86fs5h4vo2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fs5h1z38.fsf@HIDDEN> <86bkg53cau.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a5vp1qmu.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:20:44 +0300 Message-ID: <86r0p11bj7.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64759 Cc: 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, maurooaranda@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> It seems adding non-empty definitions in bug#64655 >> were intended to workaround a bug in cus-edit.el, >> not to fix it. > > I don't think it's a bug. Why is it a bug to tell the user that the > face has no information to show as the current definition? How this is different from a variable that has a nil value? The Customization UI can handle it. > Moreover, what does it mean to have nil there in defface? The > meaning of nil is not documented anywhere that I could see, so what > did the authors of such code expect it to produce? Why not nil? Every variable supports a nil value. Why can't faces do the same?
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Full text available.Received: (at 64759) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 10:55:57 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 21 06:55:57 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60674 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qMnng-0002iM-Qe for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:55:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53930) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qMnne-0002i6-TV for 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:55:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qMnnZ-0005oH-2F; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:55:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=0wze41+aYGxeeErK6Aj+nZM2gZkOODDGGE4Jm4I0OA0=; b=gHownhX1fbcF hbOWbvS8DiTfTO47vd4qUvVwssiGvAy8KRSctUae1jrn29Z2Cn6cdGhAwcyqmiaOlkNBDeIW4UPIb Dx2yFf9WUYmhp1sw7QHon/apyAjdxN6one5Z4PGm9cusLrdpG/ZaqvDefGPJh0fYOKu5XNMM4XW/x qgPCC+Q8g0gahYyLWrHnkuSHvATf2WNwreU8LBZFA5lSZ0tYnHGFdJC+I7w2LU4TC6LQRxSsQO8ru DnfSBrTMokrVKzsAHFlWVHt+PgWmUtkPkdPnL1aQsebifzbloKTzElqZncjLgWWxHVQAZ90eGNZ5C I1VQJVtTDiz7kGgEj1luyA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qMnnP-0003fa-He; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:55:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 13:56:15 +0300 Message-Id: <838rb91qk0.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <864jlx4r6z.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:13:52 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#64759: Broken faces References: <86fs5h4vo2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sf9hog8g.fsf@HIDDEN> <864jlx4r6z.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64759 Cc: 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:13:52 +0300 > > Because it's used on the tab bar. Then perhaps tab-bar.el should define its own face for that, and apply it when displaying time there.
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Full text available.Received: (at 64759) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 10:53:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 21 06:53:07 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qMnkw-0002dy-Up for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:53:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qMnku-0002dV-Tw for 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:53:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qMnkp-0004vQ-4W; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:52:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=2p9YdH++bzgnhxXgXYdPp/XK9eO6ZvBx2tYxRZ4Kcu8=; b=THY75na/YwEb lvDN9RfVff9y5pZKLwvXsCQG1G3pVatbEpRxKNYrHqWT1rakCKmA9XlGfKWiZwb7JnwxbhVNzoAD3 cs3L3I/uDIvtPrtu0LozMoVyLResRP6mtHc7b627Ssa4gN5Xi401K5D3/Ex3jVadbwx9GWFebHIjE Xw2wGS5zv4hgwiNYxusX9gSzeMYit1//KUqOTIJjKzApFiYG5Umx1JYcGYkB/IHGTOaZMNpF6EQE1 t7wKOTTbsDX7jROhJteLg1Wj4RVe28zqThh8mc57n2g8Jk/LWJgG/V0qPG/gxFkYHk4q8UZbXkOj8 JoM7ZsxQMZT0TkO5+gXJHQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qMnkj-0002Ag-UF; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 06:52:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 13:53:29 +0300 Message-Id: <83bkg51qom.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <86bkg53cau.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:13:13 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#64759: Broken faces References: <86fs5h4vo2.fsf@HIDDEN> <83fs5h1z38.fsf@HIDDEN> <86bkg53cau.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64759 Cc: 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, maurooaranda@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> > Cc: 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:13:13 +0300 > > It seems adding non-empty definitions in bug#64655 > were intended to workaround a bug in cus-edit.el, > not to fix it. I don't think it's a bug. Why is it a bug to tell the user that the face has no information to show as the current definition?
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I don't think it is a bug in Custom. Custom will allow the user to edit the face and set/save or whatever, even if it's definition is (defface foo nil "...") But it seems to me that it's better to define it like this: (defface foo '((t nil)) "...") so that the face gets a face-defface-spec property. So maybe the definition for display-time-date-and-time should be changed to: (defface display-time-date-and-time  '((t nil))  "Face for `display-time-format'."  :group 'mode-line-faces  :version "30.1") instead that making it inherit from mode-line?
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Full text available.Received: (at 64759) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 08:24:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 21 04:24:03 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60531 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qMlQh-0006r4-4b for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:24:03 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::221]:32909) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1qMlQb-0006qA-NA for 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:24:02 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B41F240005; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:23:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64759: Broken faces In-Reply-To: <87sf9hog8g.fsf@HIDDEN> (Robert Pluim's message of "Fri, 21 Jul 2023 09:50:39 +0200") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <86fs5h4vo2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sf9hog8g.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:13:52 +0300 Message-ID: <864jlx4r6z.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64759 Cc: 64759 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> This change broke display of `display-time-date-and-time' on the tab-bar: >> diff --git a/lisp/time.el b/lisp/time.el >> index 522bec46ac6..0184f96fcc2 100644 >> --- a/lisp/time.el >> +++ b/lisp/time.el >> @@ -141,6 +141,7 @@ display-time-mail-face >> (defface display-time-date-and-time nil >> "Face for `display-time-format'." >> + '((t (:inherit mode-line))) >> :group 'mode-line-faces >> :version "30.1") > > Thatʼs from before 5513f72d3c8, no? 5513f72d3c8 fixed a breakage, but the problem still remains. >> This face is used by `tab-bar-format-global' that has nothing to do >> with the mode line, so inheriting from `mode-line' makes no sense. > > Surely other items in the mode-line use the `mode-line' face already, > why is this one different? Because it's used on the tab bar.
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Subject: Re: bug#64759: Broken faces
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>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 09:37:30 +0300, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> sai=
d:
Juri> This change broke display of `display-time-date-and-time' on the =
tab-bar:
Juri> diff --git a/lisp/time.el b/lisp/time.el
Juri> index 522bec46ac6..0184f96fcc2 100644
Juri> --- a/lisp/time.el
Juri> +++ b/lisp/time.el
Juri> @@ -141,6 +141,7 @@ display-time-mail-face
Juri> (defface display-time-date-and-time nil
Juri> "Face for `display-time-format'."
Juri> + '((t (:inherit mode-line)))
Juri> :group 'mode-line-faces
Juri> :version "30.1")
That=CA=BCs from before 5513f72d3c8, no?
Juri> This face is used by `tab-bar-format-global' that has nothing to =
do
Juri> with the mode line, so inheriting from `mode-line' makes no sense.
Surely other items in the mode-line use the `mode-line' face already,
why is this one different?
Robert
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This change broke display of `display-time-date-and-time' on the tab-bar:
diff --git a/lisp/time.el b/lisp/time.el
index 522bec46ac6..0184f96fcc2 100644
--- a/lisp/time.el
+++ b/lisp/time.el
@@ -141,6 +141,7 @@ display-time-mail-face
(defface display-time-date-and-time nil
"Face for `display-time-format'."
+ '((t (:inherit mode-line)))
:group 'mode-line-faces
:version "30.1")
This face is used by `tab-bar-format-global' that has nothing to do
with the mode line, so inheriting from `mode-line' makes no sense.
Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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