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[205.236.230.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b28-20020a05620a119c00b0076825e43d98sm2626122qkk.125.2023.08.07.07.39.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 07 Aug 2023 07:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> To: Hilton Chain via Bug reports for GNU Guix <bug-guix@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64775: /run should be cleaned on boot References: <878rb9ysol.fsf@wireframe> <87y1j9njij.fsf@HIDDEN> <875y6dyr4l.fsf@wireframe> <20230721202417.6kfmen37cc2h25ko@X-kone> <87wmy848d0.wl-hako@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2023 10:39:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87wmy848d0.wl-hako@HIDDEN> (Hilton Chain via Bug reports for's message of "Sun, 06 Aug 2023 21:18:35 +0800") Message-ID: <87wmy6ex2r.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64775 Cc: Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@HIDDEN>, Hilton Chain <hako@HIDDEN>, 64775 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Saku Laesvuori <saku@HIDDEN>, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, Hilton Chain via Bug reports for GNU Guix <bug-guix@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi all, > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 04:24:17 +0800, > Saku Laesvuori via Bug reports for GNU Guix wrote: >> >> [1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] >> > > I vote for TMPFS, since that would also reduce flash wear. >> > > Honestly I don't get why it's not already using TMPFS. >> > >> > One argument could be how much ram it takes: >> > >> > $ du -sc /run/* >> > 12 /run/blkid >> > 0 /run/booted-system >> > 0 /run/current-system >> > 1312 /run/setuid-programs >> > 524 /run/udev >> > 1848 total >> > >> > That is with no explicit setuid programs configured, on a machine with a >> > fairly minimal configuration. >> > >> > Not a *huge* amount of ram, but not nothing, either... >> >> I'd say it's effectively nothing for almost all devices capable of >> running Guix. On my laptop the size of /run is 4804 (4.7M). In a quick >> test one terminal window with only zsh running in it took almost 10 >> times as much ram. >> [2 signature.asc <application/pgp-signature (7bit)>] >> No public key for 257D284A2A1D3A32 created at 2023-07-22T04:24:17+0800 using RSA > > I'm currently using tmpfs for /tmp, /run and /var/run on my Guix > Systems. Without reviewing how our code base uses /run, it seems reasonable that this should be on a tmpfs. Can anyone think of a reason not to do so? Otherwise, I suggest we make it so. -- Thanks, Maxim
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On my laptop the size of /run is 4804 (4.7M). In a quick >> test one terminal window with only zsh running in it took almost 10 >> times as much ram. >> [2 signature.asc <application/pgp-signature (7bit)>] >> No public key for 257D284A2A1D3A32 created at 2023-07-22T04:24:17+0800 using RSA > > I'm currently using tmpfs for /tmp, /run and /var/run on my Guix > Systems. Without reviewing how our code base uses /run, it seems reasonable that this should be on a tmpfs. Can anyone think of a reason not to do so? Otherwise, I suggest we make it so. -- Thanks, Maxim
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On my laptop the size of /run is 4804 (4.7M). In a quick > >> test one terminal window with only zsh running in it took almost 10 > >> times as much ram. > >> [2 signature.asc <application/pgp-signature (7bit)>] > >> No public key for 257D284A2A1D3A32 created at 2023-07-22T04:24:17+0800 using RSA > > > > I'm currently using tmpfs for /tmp, /run and /var/run on my Guix > > Systems. > > > > If you are interested, this is my base file systems: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > > (cons* (file-system > > (device "none") > > (mount-point "/tmp") > > (type "tmpfs") > > (check? #f)) > > > > (file-system > > (device "none") > > (mount-point "/run") > > (type "tmpfs") > > (needed-for-boot? #t) > > (check? #f)) > > > > (file-system > > (device "none") > > (mount-point "/var/run") > > (type "tmpfs") > > (needed-for-boot? #t) > > (check? #f)) > > You probably want to restrict permissions on /run and /var/run, as the > defaults for tmpfs are world-writeable, allowing any user or process to > create files or directories in potentially harmful ways... > > For /tmp, these defaults are appropriate, however tricky a > world-writeable directory is... I have set the mode and size limit on them. Thank you so much! Otherwise I won't notice that... > Although I rarely have enough spare ram on a system to have /tmp be > tmpfs for Guix System because builds happen there by default, and > occasionally I need a lot more space than available ram in some cases. I have enough RAM for builds I currently do on my laptop and it's the builder for other systems, so tmpfs is fine for me. Thanks
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On my laptop the size of /run is 4804 (4.7M). In a quick >> test one terminal window with only zsh running in it took almost 10 >> times as much ram. >> [2 signature.asc <application/pgp-signature (7bit)>] >> No public key for 257D284A2A1D3A32 created at 2023-07-22T04:24:17+0800 using RSA > > I'm currently using tmpfs for /tmp, /run and /var/run on my Guix > Systems. > > If you are interested, this is my base file systems: > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > (cons* (file-system > (device "none") > (mount-point "/tmp") > (type "tmpfs") > (check? #f)) > > (file-system > (device "none") > (mount-point "/run") > (type "tmpfs") > (needed-for-boot? #t) > (check? #f)) > > (file-system > (device "none") > (mount-point "/var/run") > (type "tmpfs") > (needed-for-boot? #t) > (check? #f)) You probably want to restrict permissions on /run and /var/run, as the defaults for tmpfs are world-writeable, allowing any user or process to create files or directories in potentially harmful ways... For /tmp, these defaults are appropriate, however tricky a world-writeable directory is... Although I rarely have enough spare ram on a system to have /tmp be tmpfs for Guix System because builds happen there by default, and occasionally I need a lot more space than available ram in some cases. live well, vagrant --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRlgHNhO/zFx+LkXUXcUY/If5cWqgUCZM/9TQAKCRDcUY/If5cW qqILAQDuw5mBcUClgZnzly9bjaOpcOZjJzCwPwoV+VjXCl+tlQEAht8Snx+h7LpV LIP51+eJgrP5038zMj5W5gbuPt2u2Qs= =B3Di -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--
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Hi all,
On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 04:24:17 +0800,
Saku Laesvuori via Bug reports for GNU Guix wrote:
>
> [1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
> > > I vote for TMPFS, since that would also reduce flash wear.
> > > Honestly I don't get why it's not already using TMPFS.
> >
> > One argument could be how much ram it takes:
> >
> > $ du -sc /run/*
> > 12 /run/blkid
> > 0 /run/booted-system
> > 0 /run/current-system
> > 1312 /run/setuid-programs
> > 524 /run/udev
> > 1848 total
> >
> > That is with no explicit setuid programs configured, on a machine with a
> > fairly minimal configuration.
> >
> > Not a *huge* amount of ram, but not nothing, either...
>
> I'd say it's effectively nothing for almost all devices capable of
> running Guix. On my laptop the size of /run is 4804 (4.7M). In a quick
> test one terminal window with only zsh running in it took almost 10
> times as much ram.
> [2 signature.asc <application/pgp-signature (7bit)>]
> No public key for 257D284A2A1D3A32 created at 2023-07-22T04:24:17+0800 using RSA
I'm currently using tmpfs for /tmp, /run and /var/run on my Guix
Systems.
If you are interested, this is my base file systems:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(cons* (file-system
(device "none")
(mount-point "/tmp")
(type "tmpfs")
(check? #f))
(file-system
(device "none")
(mount-point "/run")
(type "tmpfs")
(needed-for-boot? #t)
(check? #f))
(file-system
(device "none")
(mount-point "/var/run")
(type "tmpfs")
(needed-for-boot? #t)
(check? #f))
(delete %debug-file-system
%base-file-systems))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
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bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#64775; Package guix.
Full text available.Received: (at 64775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 20:24:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 21 16:24:28 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34979 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qMwfs-0004h4-CI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:24:28 -0400 Received: from vmi571514.contaboserver.net ([75.119.130.101]:47230 helo=mail.laesvuori.fi) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <saku@HIDDEN>) id 1qMwfp-0004gq-To for 64775 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:24:26 -0400 Received: from X-kone (88-113-24-127.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.113.24.127]) by mail.laesvuori.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 98900342BB9; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 22:24:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=laesvuori.fi; s=mail; t=1689971063; bh=5i1ygmm6bJH12gDJE32ksiytwj73bOHxDX7P98YYGu0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=B7F/bKqFTZ3vH36Ak8xC9iwifyTM2vZo/BQntE7WrEMXgO9LVNG/u6Um0ZIJW6LB+ qhT2b/KDIeu9tPkfcq/3dZpJKr8iuBXYR9wAbgoc7xSV75pSb8F+B+27c+cVJ5V5Y8 /P1sY+m4DtrYRFrbma8dGuI9BDiQ9ExmnXQF/BGI= Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:24:17 +0300 From: Saku Laesvuori <saku@HIDDEN> To: Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64775: /run should be cleaned on boot Message-ID: <20230721202417.6kfmen37cc2h25ko@X-kone> References: <878rb9ysol.fsf@wireframe> <87y1j9njij.fsf@HIDDEN> <875y6dyr4l.fsf@wireframe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oaaslj5hwsmsofen" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <875y6dyr4l.fsf@wireframe> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64775 Cc: 64775 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --oaaslj5hwsmsofen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I vote for TMPFS, since that would also reduce flash wear. > > Honestly I don't get why it's not already using TMPFS. > > One argument could be how much ram it takes: >=20 > $ du -sc /run/* > 12 /run/blkid > 0 /run/booted-system > 0 /run/current-system > 1312 /run/setuid-programs > 524 /run/udev > 1848 total >=20 > That is with no explicit setuid programs configured, on a machine with a > fairly minimal configuration. >=20 > Not a *huge* amount of ram, but not nothing, either... I'd say it's effectively nothing for almost all devices capable of running Guix. On my laptop the size of /run is 4804 (4.7M). In a quick test one terminal window with only zsh running in it took almost 10 times as much ram. --oaaslj5hwsmsofen Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEoMkZR3NPB29fCOn/JX0oSiodOjIFAmS66XEACgkQJX0oSiod OjLyGg/9HNBsRuEUSMC3dhK6I3EHmdFfkgpH8venf5YTy4Hm6jg1xTEmgNhsxfvl fuJa3JyQVE2aoaMQBfsZYy0GhlS8/S5mQkByrOlhA9RP6/IxCrUJqsPa8ZFvjF2h XKB7aLnSgfdW2GWvy7nzdt+qvymwcRv1nLXXTWpl5rBJyI6AGxOlqBkaU1SDTRV+ LVMyc+rq+TXkPIyblv8fP3uPdIVm7+io9u0o9XMv27jUS8bd+NueWoF7ECgrRm5z aNMA4YdYjxYtOPSE9XzU1tEHvXctd3jBYzTowh+AbuC8QCY1ScQLBA8OptgQ0zGk EGzoOak2QNu+W1bxFZE6+Pw80Ooyd54v5BB6gyIeTm4LYEkp0hqKvkiP1XlJWFVc 1VNx8Fl2uqQYc9eyidxg7HUvEsRcBbMq0nN0zdtkLaWT4uwomfmysZ1dj4lWtJ2E Ny79wMRJebIgMvO8np6mEqD0KGvs0/ewaNck537mC1Ivd9O4qonQ8adzVRhid4kc Mmo7uGB9vymR+4rO0SI+GpUA0c3MEtkKi2vNh27MIaC0t2HbF8X4YyI0BtuVS88+ Pb09Q5q+Et1EMke5skSJ/L1IbCEqEyQKhp8KV9uY9WACoD2ddgUkzHl4Ph+mCKt1 AvQ+8WXDnZwpptRmg/5jiUF6ci2PKcorq/je/Z6ELUBfygM14y4= =gZUj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oaaslj5hwsmsofen--
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#64775; Package guix.
Full text available.Received: (at 64775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 19:57:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 21 15:57:52 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34961 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qMwG7-0003zG-SX for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:57:52 -0400 Received: from cascadia.aikidev.net ([2600:3c01:e000:267:0:a171:de7:c]:57282) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <vagrant@HIDDEN>) id 1qMwG3-0003yz-7m for 64775 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:57:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50]) (Authenticated sender: vagrant@HIDDEN) by cascadia.aikidev.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A5E31AD10; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:57:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=debian.org; s=1.vagrant.user; t=1689969457; bh=wJFpm1A6E++v8KgOXpQ0a6fpBfDlJLONAsT8wdD0/Lg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=dtGkZw8eKmc5gzJu1uoI+4qC8OGPMPuH2NvMvbviZ/4pSpmYPtdpKEotMv0IHUy/1 rxoCF1g2+xl9rfbwXuDoNpWNmRKVpNSD/Wr+jvzYiNXsmaOwRzw2v/++SB9d00r01S lHupoDLDUJf9vvZrXKCx7hWX47f3AY16nVRBQko4zw8gjLmPHIfjrZwqM4CRleqp+x auHG/j2CZLq0J7VqfoifVHadYFBxBjKHvpYB0YUt0tmL0mpQL5ykoViYL17iYfy4D7 MCSWLm4D5wg0Q2cSCtAXwzudec3aiBgijOUkYjBZ55v3mj/47hFVe7aXMiyoHx02xl MVDhkaKzevv3g== From: Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@HIDDEN> To: Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64775: /run should be cleaned on boot In-Reply-To: <87y1j9njij.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <878rb9ysol.fsf@wireframe> <87y1j9njij.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:57:30 -0700 Message-ID: <875y6dyr4l.fsf@wireframe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64775 Cc: 64775 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain On 2023-07-21, Csepp wrote: > Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@HIDDEN> writes: >> While I know that Guix does not really follow the FHS in most respects, >> maybe the intention of /run defined there should still be respected? >> >> https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/ch03s15.html >> >> 3.15. /run : Run-time variable data >> 3.15.1. Purpose >> >> This directory contains system information data describing the system >> since it was booted. Files under this directory must be cleared >> (removed or truncated as appropriate) at the beginning of the boot >> process. >> ... >> >> Many distros implement this by having /run on a tmpfs, but making sure >> to clean up /run at boot seems like a reasonable thing to do at the very >> least. >> >> I am not sure if it makes sense to do housecleaning of /run from guix >> system reconfigure ... as there may be legitimate uses for other >> processes to write there. ... > I vote for TMPFS, since that would also reduce flash wear. > Honestly I don't get why it's not already using TMPFS. One argument could be how much ram it takes: $ du -sc /run/* 12 /run/blkid 0 /run/booted-system 0 /run/current-system 1312 /run/setuid-programs 524 /run/udev 1848 total That is with no explicit setuid programs configured, on a machine with a fairly minimal configuration. Not a *huge* amount of ram, but not nothing, either... live well, vagrant --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHQEARYKAB0WIQRlgHNhO/zFx+LkXUXcUY/If5cWqgUCZLrjKgAKCRDcUY/If5cW qj7pAQDrIgz6i0S36bLiL49S6CGkKCOEmcR0eR21jGB03PkhjwD1FKQ2K6aP8Idn Nzj4CxpnE7VUqm7GWYhFAn72toTyAg== =KJXs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#64775; Package guix.
Full text available.Received: (at 64775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 19:37:40 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 21 15:37:40 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34932 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qMvwa-0003RA-Gv for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:37:40 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:57120) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <raingloom@HIDDEN>) id 1qMvwW-0003Qu-7j for 64775 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:37:39 -0400 Received: from fews02-sea.riseup.net (fews02-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.112]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4R70FQ5FsWzDqCd; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:37:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1689968250; bh=8gL+Z0WPSxIhimMj8qYlFsRRxP8PjmSTkiR16yGx3A4=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:From; b=fIlw0aLvwt1bQw5AsHuHzstAiayg+AAEly7Udk1GogtysJJ3BuM9FrB0T/qrPZS0x nmK0cF4iz9PvTTEuf6t3o0WC8rjRuh+1fszSeGq51pdkoiDjY5et6CWIH+47EIcS56 7X6xNIpKBt50zFZvNIWfYZc/0vX9laLyDbjt20WQ= X-Riseup-User-ID: F3C734336E0EEEC9CCB5FC0C6AB53AA1B970F12AA5F78E127C778E75A7B8CA7D Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews02-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4R70FQ017kzFqLB; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:37:29 +0000 (UTC) References: <878rb9ysol.fsf@wireframe> From: Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> To: Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64775: /run should be cleaned on boot Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 21:36:40 +0200 In-reply-to: <878rb9ysol.fsf@wireframe> Message-ID: <87y1j9njij.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64775 Cc: 64775 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, bug-guix@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@HIDDEN> writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > So, if there are files sitting around in /run, they do not get cleaned > up unless it is something guix is already aware of > (e.g. /run/setuid-programs). > > I noticed this when experimenting with: > > https://issues.guix.gnu.org/61462 > Add support for file capabilities(7) > > Even after a reboot, the leftovers from that experimental patchset were > still present in /run... > > While I know that Guix does not really follow the FHS in most respects, > maybe the intention of /run defined there should still be respected? > > https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/ch03s15.html > > 3.15. /run : Run-time variable data > 3.15.1. Purpose > > This directory contains system information data describing the system > since it was booted. Files under this directory must be cleared > (removed or truncated as appropriate) at the beginning of the boot > process. > ... > > Many distros implement this by having /run on a tmpfs, but making sure > to clean up /run at boot seems like a reasonable thing to do at the very > least. > > I am not sure if it makes sense to do housecleaning of /run from guix > system reconfigure ... as there may be legitimate uses for other > processes to write there. > > > live well, > vagrant > > [[End of PGP Signed Part]] I vote for TMPFS, since that would also reduce flash wear. Honestly I don't get why it's not already using TMPFS.
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#64775; Package guix.
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Purpose > > This directory contains system information data describing the system > since it was booted. Files under this directory must be cleared > (removed or truncated as appropriate) at the beginning of the boot > process. > ... > > Many distros implement this by having /run on a tmpfs, but making sure > to clean up /run at boot seems like a reasonable thing to do at the very > least. > > I am not sure if it makes sense to do housecleaning of /run from guix > system reconfigure ... as there may be legitimate uses for other > processes to write there. > > > live well, > vagrant > > [[End of PGP Signed Part]] I vote for TMPFS, since that would also reduce flash wear. Honestly I don't get why it's not already using TMPFS.
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#64775; Package guix.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 19:24:22 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 21 15:24:22 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34902 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qMvji-000360-8N for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:24:22 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:58578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <vagrant@HIDDEN>) id 1qMvjd-00035k-9s for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:24:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <vagrant@HIDDEN>) id 1qMvjX-0007qR-SO for bug-guix@HIDDEN; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:24:11 -0400 Received: from cascadia.aikidev.net ([173.255.214.101]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <vagrant@HIDDEN>) id 1qMvjS-00033O-Dj for bug-guix@HIDDEN; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:24:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:21:7:77:0:50]) (Authenticated sender: vagrant@HIDDEN) by cascadia.aikidev.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 15C351AD10 for <bug-guix@HIDDEN>; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:23:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=debian.org; s=1.vagrant.user; t=1689967438; bh=+8cLa4+N4SlS7Lb0k0kYSeqN/QeSsKmQEK0WJeAXlRE=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=jDHpk6pI3qPtrd+S/qWKAESVSoYju8/bliY36H4qRoRcfA2VtgouQ0jWJQzy9uq7W yg1lVasq88zQlc6bzoNpSZDsZUabF1Zth8s4cqGm8f3FpCP9RvpAKMv/1gggd4ijte Oiko2UYfJrSZHA1lLAkX5KBPAW3guU814pUMOiFSkCpRNar+2UBl+rFQLlT2Upx1Ms OruwM/GAtgbSaoBSVkrwhwR3M+Pku3PekJnncFEtG2zGbaF/fyiBA/Xvq5lmOS5m3I DHPViMLahRorwLLNNjbRh3K1+UkLFGbD42pQAs1Im33cXFXvb3ALPy/M33sSJG20oh Dr6PcyX31zHgQ== From: Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@HIDDEN> To: bug-guix@HIDDEN Subject: /run should be cleaned on boot Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:23:54 -0700 Message-ID: <878rb9ysol.fsf@wireframe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: none client-ip=173.255.214.101; envelope-from=vagrant@HIDDEN; helo=cascadia.aikidev.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain So, if there are files sitting around in /run, they do not get cleaned up unless it is something guix is already aware of (e.g. /run/setuid-programs). I noticed this when experimenting with: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/61462 Add support for file capabilities(7) Even after a reboot, the leftovers from that experimental patchset were still present in /run... While I know that Guix does not really follow the FHS in most respects, maybe the intention of /run defined there should still be respected? https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/ch03s15.html 3.15. /run : Run-time variable data 3.15.1. Purpose This directory contains system information data describing the system since it was booted. Files under this directory must be cleared (removed or truncated as appropriate) at the beginning of the boot process. ... Many distros implement this by having /run on a tmpfs, but making sure to clean up /run at boot seems like a reasonable thing to do at the very least. I am not sure if it makes sense to do housecleaning of /run from guix system reconfigure ... as there may be legitimate uses for other processes to write there. live well, vagrant --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYKAB0WIQRlgHNhO/zFx+LkXUXcUY/If5cWqgUCZLrbSwAKCRDcUY/If5cW qjKlAPwJdVVa3gKlW/InWq2SNmS0BHsc0p8Q+R9Wv92zNvqsSAD+P6XLOsrXQ9zO Gqa0J9FfURexfFuW1xMwHf+E9LtySgM= =307A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--
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