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EMACS - Slow opening files

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Package: emacs; Reported by: "Chand, Suresh" <schand@HIDDEN>; dated Wed, 6 Dec 2023 23:13:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.

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> From: "Moore, Rider" <rmoore@HIDDEN>
> CC: "Chand, Suresh" <schand@HIDDEN>,
>         "67672 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<67672 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 15:52:53 +0000
> 
> The delay is only present for files located within the Truecrypt volume we are using (essential for our purposes).

OK, this is good to know, thanks.

> Do you know of any commands or settings adjustments needed when working with a Emacs and a Truecrypt volume?

No, I don't.  I don't think we have ever heard about problems with
these particular volumes.  Which is why I suggested to run this slow
operation under perf, which will allow you to produce a profile of the
code, and hopefully will show us which part of the code is the
bottleneck.  I don't think we can make any progress here unless we
understand which parts of the code are slow when opening files on
Truecrypt volumes.

Another, less convenient method is to step in a debugger through the
code in find-file and its subroutines, and see which part(s) there
take such a long time.  Presumably, if this takes minutes, you should
be able to identify the calls that take such a long time.

As a "leap of faith", how about timing the following, after starting
"emacs -Q":

  M-: (insert-file-contents "SOME-FILE") RET

where SOME-FILE is a file on a Truecrypt volume.  Does the above take
an abnormally long time, or is it as fast as when you do the same with
a file on any other volume?




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Eli,

The delay is only present for files located within the Truecrypt volume we =
are using (essential for our purposes).
Do you know of any commands or settings adjustments needed when working wit=
h a Emacs and a Truecrypt volume?

Thanks,

-Rider

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Subject: Re: bug#67672: EMACS - Slow opening files

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> From: "Moore, Rider" <rmoore@HIDDEN>
> CC: "Chand, Suresh" <schand@HIDDEN>,
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> Eli,
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> I believe this happens with every text-based file and even when Emacs is =
opened without a specific file involved.

If so, then your profile is not informative enough, since it seems to say t=
hat most of the time is taken by Python-related processing of the file's co=
ntents.

I honestly don't know how to make any progress here.  We must understand wh=
at takes the time in your case.  Maybe try running that command in Emacs un=
der 'perf' or something, and then post the profile here.

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> From: "Moore, Rider" <rmoore@HIDDEN>
> CC: "Chand, Suresh" <schand@HIDDEN>,
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> Eli,
> 
> I believe this happens with every text-based file and even when Emacs is opened without a specific file involved.

If so, then your profile is not informative enough, since it seems to
say that most of the time is taken by Python-related processing of the
file's contents.

I honestly don't know how to make any progress here.  We must
understand what takes the time in your case.  Maybe try running that
command in Emacs under 'perf' or something, and then post the profile
here.




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Eli,

I believe this happens with every text-based file and even when Emacs is op=
ened without a specific file involved.

Thanks,

-Rider

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> Please find the report attached.

This seems to indicate that the file you opened was a Python program source=
.  Are all of the files that are slow to open like that, i.e. they are Pyth=
on sources?  If not, can you show a profile from opening a file which ends =
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Thanks.

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> From: "Moore, Rider" <rmoore@HIDDEN>
> CC: "Chand, Suresh" <schand@HIDDEN>,
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> Please find the report attached.

This seems to indicate that the file you opened was a Python program
source.  Are all of the files that are slow to open like that,
i.e. they are Python sources?  If not, can you show a profile from
opening a file which ends up in Text mode or, better, Fundamental
mode?

Thanks.




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Eli,

Please find the report attached.

Thanks,

-Rider

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Subject: Re: bug#67672: EMACS - Slow opening files

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> From: "Moore, Rider" <rmoore@HIDDEN>
> CC: "Chand, Suresh" <schand@HIDDEN>,
>         "67672 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
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> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 18:16:59 +0000
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> Just to confirm we type the start command without sudo just before we ope=
n a file with command gmacs [filename]?

No, please start Emacs without the FILENAME argument, then invoke "M-x prof=
iler-start", the "C-x C-f THE-FILE RET", then "M-x profiler-report".

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Just to confirm we type the start command without sudo just before we open =
a file with command gmacs [filename]?

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> The computer is offline at all times and the volume is mounted via truecr=
ypt.

Then perhaps volumes mounted via truecrypt implement some file I/O operatio=
ns slowly?  Can you start "M-x profiler-start" before opening a file on suc=
h a volume, then "M-x profiler-report" after the file is opened, and post t=
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> From: "Moore, Rider" <rmoore@HIDDEN>
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> Just to confirm we type the start command without sudo just before we open a file with command gmacs [filename]?

No, please start Emacs without the FILENAME argument, then invoke
"M-x profiler-start", the "C-x C-f THE-FILE RET", then
"M-x profiler-report".




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> The computer is offline at all times and the volume is mounted via truecrypt.

Then perhaps volumes mounted via truecrypt implement some file I/O
operations slowly?  Can you start "M-x profiler-start" before opening
a file on such a volume, then "M-x profiler-report" after the file is
opened, and post the full expanded profile here?




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Hi Eli,

The computer is offline at all times and the volume is mounted via truecryp=
t.

Thanks,

-Rider

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> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 22:43:02 +0000
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> We were hoping you could help us with issues that our reviewer is
> experiencing, slowness in opening files. It takes 30-60 seconds to open a=
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>
> The installed version is v27 on Ubuntu 18.04.

Are they files on a volume mounted via a network?  Or are they files on a l=
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> Cc: "Moore, Rider" <rmoore@HIDDEN>
> From: "Chand, Suresh" <schand@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 22:43:02 +0000
> 
> We were hoping you could help us with issues that our reviewer is experiencing, slowness in opening
> files. It takes 30-60 seconds to open a file.
> 
> The installed version is v27 on Ubuntu 18.04.

Are they files on a volume mounted via a network?  Or are they files
on a local filesystem?




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We were hoping you could help us with issues that ou=
r reviewer is experiencing, slowness in opening files. It takes 30-60 secon=
ds to open a file.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The installed version is v27 on Ubuntu 18.04.<o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any help would be greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p=
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