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Hi Arash and Eli,
>> > That would practically do the job as well, because this entry wouldn'=
t
>> > be relevant in buffers in modes other than latex (LaTeX) mode
>> > actually. My proposal is just to keep the precise behavior the same.
>> =
>> Agreed, so the change would look like this, right?
Yes, that's exactly the same with the one at the tail of my previous
message.
>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> Please explain the issue in more detail and in terms that someone who
> doesn't use AUCTeX and has only superficial understanding of align.el
> can understand and reason about.
> Three questions that pop up immediately, perhaps because I'm missing
> something:
> . why not use derived-mode-p instead of 'equal' in the run-if form
That's what I thought. Arash and I are proposing to _remove_ the run-if
form so that `derived-mode-p' in `align-region' would do the expected
job.
> (and why remove it in the first place)?
See above.
> . what is the rationale for not using align-tex-modes here, only
> latex-mode?
Because the current `tex-tabbing-separator' entry in `align-rules-list'
excludes other modes by `run-if' form. I'm just following that behavior
for AUCTeX modes. As I said in my previous message, this isn't much
relavant; using `align-tex-modes' instead of '(latex-mode) would almost
be the same for practical usage, provided that the `run-if' form is
removed.
> . why not just add the new LaTeX-mode to the list in
> align-tex-modes, so that people who use an old AUCTeX will not
> have their align rules broken?
That isn't necessary. Only `latex-mode' is needed there because
`derived-mode-p' considers that `latex-mode' is parent of `LaTeX-mode'.
However, the current `run-if' form excludes `LaTeX-mode' because if uses
`eq', not `derived-mode-p'.
> (And, btw, why did AUCTeX change the name of the mode? What useful
> purpose could that possibly serve? Changing names of major modes is
> the last thing I'd expect from a veteran package that respects its
> users.)
Major motivation is the following two:
(1) to follow emacs standard convention about naming scheme of user
customize option.
(2) to get rid of ugly hack and simplify the code.
The thread beginning with [1] motivated this change. This thread was
stimulated by a thread beginning with [2], which claims that
the major mode name `latex-mode' and hook name `LaTeX-mode-hook' are
inconsistent and doesn't follow the emacs standard naming convention
without good reason.
In addition, there have been very ugly hack to put dual roles on the
symbol `latex-mode', which accidentaly broke a compatibility[3]. This
topic is discussed in the thread [1], too.
Best regards,
Ikumi Keita
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[1] https://lists.gnu.org/r/auctex-devel/2022-09/msg00039.html
[2] https://lists.gnu.org/r/help-gnu-emacs/2022-09/msg00104.html
[3] https://lists.gnu.org/r/auctex/2022-08/msg00001.html
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/648955/auctex-inconsistent-beh=
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> Cc: 69187 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 21:59:06 +0200
>
> Ikumi Keita <ikumi@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> > That would practically do the job as well, because this entry wouldn't
> > be relevant in buffers in modes other than latex (LaTeX) mode
> > actually. My proposal is just to keep the precise behavior the same.
>
> Agreed, so the change would look like this, right?
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> diff --git a/lisp/align.el b/lisp/align.el
> index 81ccc4b5e2d..0e77a857585 100644
> --- a/lisp/align.el
> +++ b/lisp/align.el
> @@ -537,10 +537,8 @@ align-rules-list
> (regexp . ,(lambda (end reverse)
> (align-match-tex-pattern "\\\\[=>]" end reverse)))
> (group . (1 2))
> - (modes . align-tex-modes)
> - (repeat . t)
> - (run-if . ,(lambda ()
> - (eq major-mode 'latex-mode))))
> + (modes . '(latex-mode))
> + (repeat . t))
>
> (tex-record-break
> (regexp . "\\(\\s-*\\)\\\\\\\\")
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> @Maintainers: How do you want to proceed with this proposal? Do you
> like to ask John W., or should I prepare a patch and send/install it, or
> anything else?
>
> For bonus points, I offer to delete the unnecessary ":group 'align" in
> the defcustom's in align.el.
>
> Please advise. Thanks.
Please explain the issue in more detail and in terms that someone who
doesn't use AUCTeX and has only superficial understanding of align.el
can understand and reason about.
Three questions that pop up immediately, perhaps because I'm missing
something:
. what is the rationale for not using align-tex-modes here, only
latex-mode?
. why not just add the new LaTeX-mode to the list in
align-tex-modes, so that people who use an old AUCTeX will not
have their align rules broken?
. why not use derived-mode-p instead of 'equal' in the run-if form
(and why remove it in the first place)?
(And, btw, why did AUCTeX change the name of the mode? What useful
purpose could that possibly serve? Changing names of major modes is
the last thing I'd expect from a veteran package that respects its
users.)
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Ikumi Keita <ikumi@HIDDEN> writes:
> That would practically do the job as well, because this entry wouldn't
> be relevant in buffers in modes other than latex (LaTeX) mode
> actually. My proposal is just to keep the precise behavior the same.
Agreed, so the change would look like this, right?
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
diff --git a/lisp/align.el b/lisp/align.el
index 81ccc4b5e2d..0e77a857585 100644
--- a/lisp/align.el
+++ b/lisp/align.el
@@ -537,10 +537,8 @@ align-rules-list
(regexp . ,(lambda (end reverse)
(align-match-tex-pattern "\\\\[=>]" end reverse)))
(group . (1 2))
- (modes . align-tex-modes)
- (repeat . t)
- (run-if . ,(lambda ()
- (eq major-mode 'latex-mode))))
+ (modes . '(latex-mode))
+ (repeat . t))
(tex-record-break
(regexp . "\\(\\s-*\\)\\\\\\\\")
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
@Maintainers: How do you want to proceed with this proposal? Do you
like to ask John W., or should I prepare a patch and send/install it, or
anything else?
For bonus points, I offer to delete the unnecessary ":group 'align" in
the defcustom's in align.el.
Please advise. Thanks.
Best, Arash
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Hi Arash,
>>>>> Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN> writes:
> Thanks for raising this issue. I have a question though: Does the
> change below fit the bill as well:
> diff --git a/lisp/align.el b/lisp/align.el
> index 81ccc4b5e2d..21e2e12ac24 100644
> --- a/lisp/align.el
> +++ b/lisp/align.el
> @@ -538,9 +538,7 @@ align-rules-list
> (align-match-tex-pattern "\\\\[=3D>]" end reverse)))
> (group . (1 2))
> (modes . align-tex-modes)
> - (repeat . t)
> - (run-if . ,(lambda ()
> - (eq major-mode 'latex-mode))))
> + (repeat . t))
> (tex-record-break
> (regexp . "\\(\\s-*\\)\\\\\\\\")
That would practically do the job as well, because this entry wouldn't be
relevant in buffers in modes other than latex (LaTeX) mode actually. My
proposal is just to keep the precise behavior the same.
> Ikumi Keita <ikumi@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Sorry, I included a spurious quote at
>> (modes . '(latex-mode))
>> in my proposal. The proposal for `tex-tabbing-separator' should have
>> been:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> (tex-tabbing-separator
>> (regexp . ,(lambda (end reverse)
>> (align-match-tex-pattern "\\\\[=3D>]" end reverse)))
>> (group . (1 2))
>> (modes . (latex-mode))
>> (repeat . t))
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry again, this was my mistake. After the second (third?) thought, my
first propoal was actually correct. The entry I should propose is
(tex-tabbing-separator
(regexp . ,(lambda (end reverse)
(align-match-tex-pattern "\\\\[=>]" end reverse)))
(group . (1 2))
(modes . '(latex-mode))
(repeat . t))
, not
(modes . (latex-mode))
.
Regards,
Ikumi Keita
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Subject: Re: bug#69187: 29.2; Poor compatibility in align.el
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Hi Keita,
Ikumi Keita <ikumi@HIDDEN> writes:
> Sorry, I included a spurious quote at
> (modes . '(latex-mode))
> in my proposal. The proposal for `tex-tabbing-separator' should have
> been:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> (tex-tabbing-separator
> (regexp . ,(lambda (end reverse)
> (align-match-tex-pattern "\\\\[=3D>]" end reverse)))
> (group . (1 2))
> (modes . (latex-mode))
> (repeat . t))
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for raising this issue. I have a question though: Does the
change below fit the bill as well:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
diff --git a/lisp/align.el b/lisp/align.el
index 81ccc4b5e2d..21e2e12ac24 100644
--- a/lisp/align.el
+++ b/lisp/align.el
@@ -538,9 +538,7 @@ align-rules-list
(align-match-tex-pattern "\\\\[=3D>]" end reverse)))
(group . (1 2))
(modes . align-tex-modes)
- (repeat . t)
- (run-if . ,(lambda ()
- (eq major-mode 'latex-mode))))
+ (repeat . t))
(tex-record-break
(regexp . "\\(\\s-*\\)\\\\\\\\")
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
`align-tex-modes' is defined like this:
,----[ C-h v align-tex-modes RET ]
| align-tex-modes is a variable defined in =E2=80=98align.el=E2=80=99.
|=20
| Its value is (tex-mode plain-tex-mode latex-mode slitex-mode)
|=20
| A list of modes whose syntax resembles TeX (and family).
|=20
| You can customize this variable.
|=20
`----
And IIUC, the `run-if' attribute doesn't make sense, i.e., define 4
modes and then run the show only in `latex-mode'. WDYT?
Best, Arash
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Sorry, I included a spurious quote at
(modes . '(latex-mode))
in my proposal. The proposal for `tex-tabbing-separator' should have
been:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
(tex-tabbing-separator
(regexp . ,(lambda (end reverse)
(align-match-tex-pattern "\\\\[=>]" end reverse)))
(group . (1 2))
(modes . (latex-mode))
(repeat . t))
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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[Summary]
There is an entry in `align-rules-list' incompatible with recent AUCTeX
change (and possible user-defined derived mode).
[Detail]
In `tex-tabbing-separator' entry of `align-rules-list', the run-if
property contains a conditional (eq major-mode 'latex-mode). This isn't
compatible with AUCTeX 14, which changes its major mode name from
`latex-mode' to `LaTeX-mode'.
Apart from AUCTeX issue, this entry doesn't work in user-defined derived
mode such as
(define-derived-mode latex-thesis-mode latex-mode "LaTeX-Thesis")
as well.
I propose to change this entry as:
(tex-tabbing-separator
(regexp . ,(lambda (end reverse)
(align-match-tex-pattern "\\\\[=3D>]" end reverse)))
(group . (1 2))
(modes . '(latex-mode))
(repeat . t))
This entry becomes effective in doctex-mode also because it is derived
from latex-mode, but I don't think it matters.
Regards,
Ikumi Keita
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eieio-core cl-macs password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt gv bytecomp
byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib japan-util rmc iso-transl
tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks
lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd
tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace
newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar
rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock
font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq
simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang
misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms
cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian
cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table
epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button
loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window
text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule
custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind
kqueue lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting
cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty
make-network-process emacs)
Memory information:
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(symbols 48 36917 1)
(strings 32 163184 25079)
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(floats 8 1886 2171)
(intervals 56 83849 1835)
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Ikumi Keita <ikumi@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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