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Dear Emacs bug fixers,

Only yesterday, I encountered the following problem.  When I tried to use
m-x report-emacs-bug on my Chromebook, I found it impossible to use
report-emacs-bug.  When I hit c-c c-c, I was unable to get the message
sent, even trying the three mailer options that were proposed.

I am uncertain exactly how much of the following info might be useful to
you.  While tonight I am back to using Emacs 27.1, I encountered the
problem while using Emacs 28, which has now disappeared on me somehow.

Thanks very much,

Robert Boyer
614 W 32nd St
Austin, TX 78705
512 467 0182

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> From: Robert Boyer <robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 22:12:08 -0600
> 
> Only yesterday, I encountered the following problem.  When I tried to use m-x report-emacs-bug on my
> Chromebook, I found it impossible to use report-emacs-bug.  When I hit c-c c-c, I was unable to get the
> message sent, even trying the three mailer options that were proposed.

Please tell more: what exactly happened when you tried each one of the
options, and what were your steps of trying them.

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> > Please tell more: what exactly happened when you tried each one of the
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> I think that what's below was sent because report-emacs-bug is now defaulting, probably to the 'transport'
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> Sounds like some problem with your email setup.

I am sure you are right.

 However, I do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 1:29=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:

> > From: Robert Boyer <robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:14:27 -0600
> > Cc: 69250 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > > Please tell more: what exactly happened when you tried each one of th=
e
> > > options, and what were your steps of trying them.
> >
> > I think that what's below was sent because report-emacs-bug is now
> defaulting, probably to the 'transport'
> > option.  How do I now try to see and use the other options?  That is,
> how do I now turn off the 'defaulting'?
> >
> > Auto-Submitted: auto-replied
> > From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon@penguin>
> > To: robertstephenboyer@penguin
> > Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=3Ddelivery-status;
> boundary=3D1708283349-eximdsn-1677957650
> > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
> > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:09:09 -0600
> >
> > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
> >
> > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed=
:
> >
> >   bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN
> >     Mailing to remote domains not supported
>
> Sounds like some problem with your email setup.
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Sounds like some problem with your email setup.<div><=
br></div><div>I am sure you are right.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0However, I do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 1:29=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&gt; From: Robert Boyer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN=
om</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:14:27 -0600<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:69250 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">69250@d=
ebbugs.gnu.org</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Please tell more: what exactly happened when you tried each one o=
f the<br>
&gt; &gt; options, and what were your steps of trying them.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I think that what&#39;s below was sent because report-emacs-bug is now=
 defaulting, probably to the &#39;transport&#39;<br>
&gt; option.=C2=A0 How do I now try to see and use the other options?=C2=A0=
 That is, how do I now turn off the &#39;defaulting&#39;?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Auto-Submitted: auto-replied<br>
&gt; From: Mail Delivery System &lt;Mailer-Daemon@penguin&gt;<br>
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y=3D1708283349-eximdsn-1677957650<br>
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&gt; Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:09:09 -0600<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its<b=
r>
&gt; recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) faile=
d:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank"=
>bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN</a><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mailing to remote domains not supported<br>
<br>
Sounds like some problem with your email setup.<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Anything I seem to state should be taken as a question.=C2=
=A0 I am at least 77 and feeble.</div></div>

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Robert Boyer <robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN> writes:

>> Sounds like some problem with your email setup.
>
> I am sure you are right.
>
>  However, I do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

Have you configured anything regarding email in Emacs?

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Robert Boyer <robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN> writes:

> Dear Philip,
>
>> Have you configured anything regarding email in Emacs?
>
> No sir, nothing.  Can I help try something?

I have this in my init.el, perhaps it could give you some hints:

(setopt user-mail-address "philipk@HIDDEN"
        send-mail-function #'smtpmail-send-it
        smtpmail-smtp-server "posteo.de"
        smtpmail-stream-type 'starttls
        smtpmail-smtp-service 587)

>
> Do not underestimate how dumb I am.
>
> It is my 'feeling' that on my $100 Lenovo Chromebook, with its utterly
> superb Emacs,
> RMAIL cannot send email to anyone I can imagine sending it to.  Which is
> why I have so chauvinistically suggested 'made in China', e.g., Lenovo, m=
ay
> have something to do with the matter!  But that is another of my sick jok=
es.
>
> I used RMAIL as my only emailer for decades, but switched to gmail because
> RMAIL was losing on 'attachments'.  I now love gmail.  It is one part of
> the proof that Google is the greatest company that has ever existed. gmail
> is free.  space seems unlimited. I am so insignificant that I do not give=
 a
> damn whether Google looks at my mail or not. My lifelong email motto is:
> when sending email, always imagine that it is cced to letters at NYT.
> Heavens knows that spooks look at all email, unless one uses 'signal ' or
> something like that.  In Europe, the government is suing signal to force
> them to change their ultra secret ways.  I have tried to use 'signal' and
> enjoyed it, but am now scared to use it any more; don't want to get sued.
>
> Have you guys tried RMAIL on Chromebooks?  Only costs $100 to buy one.
> There are a huge number of Chromebooks in the world, and one can get, and
> enjoy Emacs, with a mere one line command 'sudo apt-get install emacs',
> after one has installed Linux, which of course must always be called 'Gnu
> Linux', or you might rightly get email from rms.  To my astonishment, the
> installation of Linux was about the easiest thing I could imagine.

I have no experience with Chromebooks.

> With the highest imaginable love of Emacs,
>
> Bob
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:38=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo=
.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Robert Boyer <robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> >> Sounds like some problem with your email setup.
>> >
>> > I am sure you are right.
>> >
>> >  However, I do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
>>
>> Have you configured anything regarding email in Emacs?
>>

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> I have no experience with Chromebooks.

I am willing to send you $100 in cash, if you wish, if you buy a
Chromebook, and if you send me a postal address to which to send the $100.
In Austin, I had good luck with 'Best Buy'.
I am laughing at this!  I wonder if it has ever happened before that a user
has offered to buy a bug reporting service a computer.  Chromebooks can
cost a lot of money, for which one no doubt gets a lot.  But  I bought the
cheapest I could possibly find in order to help make ACL2 available to all
students in the world, who are mainly using Chromebooks.  I have put up on
my working directory

  https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UoCT8YaisJBE-deMYJ8n1VE1rNg6K_MW

under ./acl2 the acl2 source, coded by J Moore and Matt Kaufmann, and 16
gigabytes of proofs that ACL2 generates.  Many folks have contributed the
theorems.

Thanks so much.  I very, very much want to get RMAIL working on my
Chromebook.

Tell me what to try next.

Bob

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:06=E2=80=AFPM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN=
et>
wrote:

> Robert Boyer <robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> > Dear Philip,
> >
> >> Have you configured anything regarding email in Emacs?
> >
> > No sir, nothing.  Can I help try something?
>
> I have this in my init.el, perhaps it could give you some hints:
>
> (setopt user-mail-address "philipk@HIDDEN"
>         send-mail-function #'smtpmail-send-it
>         smtpmail-smtp-server "posteo.de"
>         smtpmail-stream-type 'starttls
>         smtpmail-smtp-service 587)
>
> >
> > Do not underestimate how dumb I am.
> >
> > It is my 'feeling' that on my $100 Lenovo Chromebook, with its utterly
> > superb Emacs,
> > RMAIL cannot send email to anyone I can imagine sending it to.  Which i=
s
> > why I have so chauvinistically suggested 'made in China', e.g., Lenovo,
> may
> > have something to do with the matter!  But that is another of my sick
> jokes.
> >
> > I used RMAIL as my only emailer for decades, but switched to gmail
> because
> > RMAIL was losing on 'attachments'.  I now love gmail.  It is one part o=
f
> > the proof that Google is the greatest company that has ever existed.
> gmail
> > is free.  space seems unlimited. I am so insignificant that I do not
> give a
> > damn whether Google looks at my mail or not. My lifelong email motto is=
:
> > when sending email, always imagine that it is cced to letters at NYT.
> > Heavens knows that spooks look at all email, unless one uses 'signal ' =
or
> > something like that.  In Europe, the government is suing signal to forc=
e
> > them to change their ultra secret ways.  I have tried to use 'signal' a=
nd
> > enjoyed it, but am now scared to use it any more; don't want to get sue=
d.
> >
> > Have you guys tried RMAIL on Chromebooks?  Only costs $100 to buy one.
> > There are a huge number of Chromebooks in the world, and one can get, a=
nd
> > enjoy Emacs, with a mere one line command 'sudo apt-get install emacs',
> > after one has installed Linux, which of course must always be called 'G=
nu
> > Linux', or you might rightly get email from rms.  To my astonishment, t=
he
> > installation of Linux was about the easiest thing I could imagine.
>
> I have no experience with Chromebooks.
>
> > With the highest imaginable love of Emacs,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:38=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@post=
eo.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Robert Boyer <robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN> writes:
> >>
> >> >> Sounds like some problem with your email setup.
> >> >
> >> > I am sure you are right.
> >> >
> >> >  However, I do not have the slightest idea what you are talking abou=
t.
> >>
> >> Have you configured anything regarding email in Emacs?
> >>
>

--=20
Anything I seem to state should be taken as a question.  I am at least 77
and feeble.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I have no experience with Chromebooks.<div><br></div>=
<div>I am willing to send you $100 in cash, if you wish, if you buy a Chrom=
ebook, and if you send me a postal address to which to send the $100.=C2=A0=
 In Austin, I had good luck with &#39;Best Buy&#39;.</div><div>I am laughin=
g at this!=C2=A0 I wonder if it has ever happened=C2=A0before that a user h=
as offered to buy a bug reporting service a computer.=C2=A0 Chromebooks can=
 cost a lot of money, for which one no doubt gets a lot.=C2=A0 But=C2=A0 I =
bought the cheapest I could possibly find in order to help make ACL2 availa=
ble to all students in the world, who are mainly using Chromebooks.=C2=A0 I=
 have put up on my working directory</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 <a hre=
f=3D"https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UoCT8YaisJBE-deMYJ8n1VE1rNg6K_=
MW">https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UoCT8YaisJBE-deMYJ8n1VE1rNg6K_M=
W</a></div><div><br></div><div>under ./acl2 the acl2 source, coded by J Moo=
re and Matt Kaufmann, and 16 gigabytes of proofs that ACL2 generates.=C2=A0=
 Many folks have contributed the theorems.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks =
so much.=C2=A0 I very, very much want to get RMAIL working on my Chromebook=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Tell me what to try next.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Bob</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:06=E2=80=AFPM Philip K=
aludercic &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:philipk@HIDDEN">philipk@HIDDEN</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Rober=
t Boyer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blan=
k">robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN</a>&gt; writes:<br>
<br>
&gt; Dear Philip,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Have you configured anything regarding email in Emacs?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; No sir, nothing.=C2=A0 Can I help try something?<br>
<br>
I have this in my init.el, perhaps it could give you some hints:<br>
<br>
(setopt user-mail-address &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:philipk@HIDDEN" targe=
t=3D"_blank">philipk@HIDDEN</a>&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 send-mail-function #&#39;smtpmail-send-it<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 smtpmail-smtp-server &quot;<a href=3D"http://po=
steo.de" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">posteo.de</a>&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 smtpmail-stream-type &#39;starttls<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 smtpmail-smtp-service 587)<br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Do not underestimate how dumb I am.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; It is my &#39;feeling&#39; that on my $100 Lenovo Chromebook, with its=
 utterly<br>
&gt; superb Emacs,<br>
&gt; RMAIL cannot send email to anyone I can imagine sending it to.=C2=A0 W=
hich is<br>
&gt; why I have so chauvinistically suggested &#39;made in China&#39;, e.g.=
, Lenovo, may<br>
&gt; have something to do with the matter!=C2=A0 But that is another of my =
sick jokes.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I used RMAIL as my only emailer for decades, but switched to gmail bec=
ause<br>
&gt; RMAIL was losing on &#39;attachments&#39;.=C2=A0 I now love gmail.=C2=
=A0 It is one part of<br>
&gt; the proof that Google is the greatest company that has ever existed. g=
mail<br>
&gt; is free.=C2=A0 space seems unlimited. I am so insignificant that I do =
not give a<br>
&gt; damn whether Google looks at my mail or not. My lifelong email motto i=
s:<br>
&gt; when sending email, always imagine that it is cced to letters at NYT.<=
br>
&gt; Heavens knows that spooks look at all email, unless one uses &#39;sign=
al &#39; or<br>
&gt; something like that.=C2=A0 In Europe, the government is suing signal t=
o force<br>
&gt; them to change their ultra secret ways.=C2=A0 I have tried to use &#39=
;signal&#39; and<br>
&gt; enjoyed it, but am now scared to use it any more; don&#39;t want to ge=
t sued.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Have you guys tried RMAIL on Chromebooks?=C2=A0 Only costs $100 to buy=
 one.<br>
&gt; There are a huge number of Chromebooks in the world, and one can get, =
and<br>
&gt; enjoy Emacs, with a mere one line command &#39;sudo apt-get install em=
acs&#39;,<br>
&gt; after one has installed Linux, which of course must always be called &=
#39;Gnu<br>
&gt; Linux&#39;, or you might rightly get email from rms.=C2=A0 To my aston=
ishment, the<br>
&gt; installation of Linux was about the easiest thing I could imagine.<br>
<br>
I have no experience with Chromebooks.<br>
<br>
&gt; With the highest imaginable love of Emacs,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Bob<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:38=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:philipk@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">philipk@HIDDEN</a>&gt;=
<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Robert Boyer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN" t=
arget=3D"_blank">robertstephenboyer@HIDDEN</a>&gt; writes:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Sounds like some problem with your email setup.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I am sure you are right.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 However, I do not have the slightest idea what you are =
talking about.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Have you configured anything regarding email in Emacs?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Anything I seem to state should be taken as a question.=C2=
=A0 I am at least 77 and feeble.</div></div>

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