GNU bug report logs - #69872
29.2; Async native compilation of seq.el test uses up resources and hangs

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From: Jon Levin <hi <at> mhcat.ca>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.2; Async native compilation of seq.el test uses up resources and
 hangs
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 09:32:24 -0400

When I update my installed packages on some version of emacs which
is build with native-compilation enabled, most times I end up
having to kill emacs and restart it in order to sidestep a problem
where a single emacs process, seemingly running a compilation step
(I think) uses 100% of a single virtual core and never completes.

This is the process responsible:

  mhcat      12800    6874 99 09:10 pts/96   00:10:41 /usr/bin/emacs -no-comp-spawn -Q --batch --eval (setq w32-disable-abort-dialog t) -l /tmp/emacs-async-comp-seq-tests-znp6r0.el

I am not sure how to go about reproducing this problem from a
standing start (emacs -Q) because this seems to be part of an
otherwise opaque series of steps, and I'm not sure how it starts.

Perhaps the author of seq.el can help me put together such a test.

This is not a new problem, but I noticed that there is a plan to
make native-comp part of the default emacs build, to which I have
no objection, but feel that my experience is a data point which
should not be overlooked. I usually end up building a
non-native-comp version of emacs as a daily driver (I am lucky
enough to have systems powerful enough that I notice no difference
in performance with or without native-compilation enabled - aside
from the initial compilation phases which in the case of
native-comp, which are a minor inconvenience).

Thanks!


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Message #8 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
To: Jon Levin via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
 editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Jon Levin <hi <at> mhcat.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#69872: 29.2; Async native compilation of seq.el test uses
 up resources and hangs
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:51:07 -0400

Jon Levin via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org> writes:

> When I update my installed packages on some version of emacs which
> is build with native-compilation enabled, most times I end up
> having to kill emacs and restart it in order to sidestep a problem
> where a single emacs process, seemingly running a compilation step
> (I think) uses 100% of a single virtual core and never completes.
>
> This is the process responsible:
>
>   mhcat      12800    6874 99 09:10 pts/96   00:10:41 /usr/bin/emacs -no-comp-spawn -Q --batch --eval (setq w32-disable-abort-dialog t) -l /tmp/emacs-async-comp-seq-tests-znp6r0.el
>
> I am not sure how to go about reproducing this problem from a
> standing start (emacs -Q) because this seems to be part of an
> otherwise opaque series of steps, and I'm not sure how it starts.
>
> Perhaps the author of seq.el can help me put together such a test.
>
> This is not a new problem, but I noticed that there is a plan to
> make native-comp part of the default emacs build, to which I have
> no objection, but feel that my experience is a data point which
> should not be overlooked. I usually end up building a
> non-native-comp version of emacs as a daily driver (I am lucky
> enough to have systems powerful enough that I notice no difference
> in performance with or without native-compilation enabled - aside
> from the initial compilation phases which in the case of
> native-comp, which are a minor inconvenience).
>
> Thanks!

Hi Jon,

I can reproduce on master with:

./src/emacs -batch -l comp -f batch-native-compile test/lisp/emacs-lisp/seq-tests.el

I'll try to have look.

I'm wondering as well why seq-tests is loaded in your system as well
being this a test file.

The change of performance of bytecode vs native really depends on the
workload so is no surprise that some of us experience noticable perf
uplifts and some less.

Bests

  Andrea

Message #11 received at 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Jon Levin <hi <at> mhcat.ca>
Cc: 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#69872: 29.2;
 Async native compilation of seq.el test uses up resources and hangs
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 18:55:37 +0200

> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 09:32:24 -0400
> From:  Jon Levin via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
> 
> 
> When I update my installed packages on some version of emacs which
> is build with native-compilation enabled, most times I end up
> having to kill emacs and restart it in order to sidestep a problem
> where a single emacs process, seemingly running a compilation step
> (I think) uses 100% of a single virtual core and never completes.
> 
> This is the process responsible:
> 
>   mhcat      12800    6874 99 09:10 pts/96   00:10:41 /usr/bin/emacs -no-comp-spawn -Q --batch --eval (setq w32-disable-abort-dialog t) -l /tmp/emacs-async-comp-seq-tests-znp6r0.el
> 
> I am not sure how to go about reproducing this problem from a
> standing start (emacs -Q) because this seems to be part of an
> otherwise opaque series of steps, and I'm not sure how it starts.
> 
> Perhaps the author of seq.el can help me put together such a test.

seq.el is preloaded, so it is native-compiled only during the build,
and should not be compiled when you update your packages.  I think
what you see is compilation of seq-tests.el, not seq.el, and if that
is the case, the question is: why does your Emacs decide to compile
that file?  Could you look through your installed packages and see
which one of them loads seq-tests.el?  Is it possible that you have
seq.el as a separate package, which perhaps Emacs tries to use instead
of the built-in one?

Message #17 received at 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jon Irving Levin <hi <at> mhcat.ca>
To: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#69872: 29.2; Async native compilation of seq.el test uses up
 resources and hangs
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:46:46 -0400

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On Mon 2024-03-18 13:30 -0400, Andrea Corallo wrote:
> Okay after reducing it I believe it's a duplicate of 67883 so I'm
> merging them.
> 
>   Andrea

Thank you Andrea!

Now I'm going to try living with package.el for a while to see if I
still have friction with it. Maybe I can just never trigger this
again :)

cheers
Jon

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In this world / we walk on the roof of hell / gazing at flowers
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Message #20 received at 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
To: 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: hi <at> mhcat.ca
Subject: Re: bug#69872: 29.2; Async native compilation of seq.el test uses
 up resources and hangs
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:30:52 -0400

merge 69872 67883
thanks

Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Jon Levin via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text
> editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> When I update my installed packages on some version of emacs which
>> is build with native-compilation enabled, most times I end up
>> having to kill emacs and restart it in order to sidestep a problem
>> where a single emacs process, seemingly running a compilation step
>> (I think) uses 100% of a single virtual core and never completes.
>>
>> This is the process responsible:
>>
>>   mhcat 12800 6874 99 09:10 pts/96 00:10:41 /usr/bin/emacs
>> -no-comp-spawn -Q --batch --eval (setq w32-disable-abort-dialog t)
>> -l /tmp/emacs-async-comp-seq-tests-znp6r0.el
>>
>> I am not sure how to go about reproducing this problem from a
>> standing start (emacs -Q) because this seems to be part of an
>> otherwise opaque series of steps, and I'm not sure how it starts.
>>
>> Perhaps the author of seq.el can help me put together such a test.
>>
>> This is not a new problem, but I noticed that there is a plan to
>> make native-comp part of the default emacs build, to which I have
>> no objection, but feel that my experience is a data point which
>> should not be overlooked. I usually end up building a
>> non-native-comp version of emacs as a daily driver (I am lucky
>> enough to have systems powerful enough that I notice no difference
>> in performance with or without native-compilation enabled - aside
>> from the initial compilation phases which in the case of
>> native-comp, which are a minor inconvenience).
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> I can reproduce on master with:
>
> ./src/emacs -batch -l comp -f batch-native-compile test/lisp/emacs-lisp/seq-tests.el
>
> I'll try to have look.

Okay after reducing it I believe it's a duplicate of 67883 so I'm
merging them.

  Andrea

Message #23 received at 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jon Levin <hi <at> mhcat.ca>
To: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#69872: 29.2; Async native compilation of seq.el test uses up
 resources and hangs
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:22:19 -0400

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Seems I neglected to copy the bug tracker. Here's my reply to Eli
and Andrea:

On Mon 2024-03-18 13:13 -0400, Jon Levin wrote:
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 13:13:57 -0400
> From: Jon Levin <hi <at> mhcat.ca>
> To: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: bug#69872: 29.2; Async native compilation of seq.el test uses
>  up resources and hangs
> 
> On Mon 2024-03-18 12:51 -0400, Andrea Corallo wrote:
> > I can reproduce on master with:
> > 
> > ./src/emacs -batch -l comp -f batch-native-compile test/lisp/emacs-lisp/seq-tests.el
> > 
> > I'll try to have look.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Andrea continues:
> > I'm wondering as well why seq-tests is loaded in your system as well
> > being this a test file.
> 
> On Mon 2024-03-18 18:55 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > seq.el is preloaded, so it is native-compiled only during the build,
> > and should not be compiled when you update your packages.  I think
> > what you see is compilation of seq-tests.el, not seq.el, and if that
> > is the case, the question is: why does your Emacs decide to compile
> > that file?  Could you look through your installed packages and see
> > which one of them loads seq-tests.el?  Is it possible that you have
> > seq.el as a separate package, which perhaps Emacs tries to use instead
> > of the built-in one?
> 
> That's an excellent question, one which I have asked myself too.
> It's almost certain that there is another seq.el being built by my
> package manager, straight.el. It appears in dependencies of other
> packages, most notably magit. In fact, when I first started seeing
> this problem, it was usually while straight.el was building magit -
> that package names seq 2.24 as a dependency. I have not spent a lot
> of time on the problem but I seem to recall that there have been
> breaking changes between versions of seq.el which have taken me on
> journies in the past.
> 
> Anyway, I may look into why this happens at some point, but that is
> a separate problem and not one which should really attributed to
> emacs. It seems that Andrea has found a reproduction of the problem
> which should help him find the problem which *is* the subject of
> this bug report.
> 
> My guess is that straight.el is being rather too thorough in doing
> what it calls a "build" of packages it installs from sources.
> 
> Thanks for the speedy responses!
> 
> cheers
> Jon

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Message #28 received at 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
To: Andrea Corallo <akrl <at> sdf.org>
Cc: Lars Tveito <larstvei <at> ifi.uio.no>, hokomo <hokomo <at> disroot.org>,
 Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann <at> gmail.com>,
 57957 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>,
 69872 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Subject: Re: bug#69872: 29.2; Async native compilation of seq.el test uses
 up resources and hangs
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2024 07:26:52 -0400

Andrea Corallo <akrl <at> sdf.org> writes:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>>> The question is of course also how much effort circular lists deserve in
>>> the compiler.  From my point of view, not too much because they aren't
>>> very useful, in code at least.  And dealing with them costs runtime.
>>
>> Circular data structures are perfectly normal in source code under
>> a `quote` but the code itself should never be cyclic (so I think it
>> would be OK to signal an error (and/or to inf-loop) when asked to
>> compile a chunk of code that has a cycle).  So we *should* handle
>> circular data structures correctly.
>
> I agree, Saturday I should have some time to look into this.

A little time after... I finally managed to get to it, sorry for the
delay.

I've pushed into master c5de73a95a6, it fixes my reprodurer here and
adds a test for this.

If anyone could confirm this is fixed i'll be (extremely) happy to close
this :)

Thanks

  Andrea

Message #33 received at 69872-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
To: Andrea Corallo <akrl <at> sdf.org>
Cc: Lars Tveito <larstvei <at> ifi.uio.no>, hokomo <hokomo <at> disroot.org>,
 69872-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann <at> gmail.com>,
 57957 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>,
 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Subject: Re: bug#57957: bug#69872: 29.2; Async native compilation of seq.el
 test uses up resources and hangs
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2024 16:46:47 -0400

Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Andrea Corallo <akrl <at> sdf.org> writes:
>
>> Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>>
>>>> The question is of course also how much effort circular lists deserve in
>>>> the compiler.  From my point of view, not too much because they aren't
>>>> very useful, in code at least.  And dealing with them costs runtime.
>>>
>>> Circular data structures are perfectly normal in source code under
>>> a `quote` but the code itself should never be cyclic (so I think it
>>> would be OK to signal an error (and/or to inf-loop) when asked to
>>> compile a chunk of code that has a cycle).  So we *should* handle
>>> circular data structures correctly.
>>
>> I agree, Saturday I should have some time to look into this.
>
> A little time after... I finally managed to get to it, sorry for the
> delay.
>
> I've pushed into master c5de73a95a6, it fixes my reprodurer here and
> adds a test for this.
>
> If anyone could confirm this is fixed i'll be (extremely) happy to close
> this :)
>
> Thanks
>
>   Andrea

Right I'm closing this as I believe it's fixed, happy to re-open if it's
not the case.

Thanks!

  Andrea

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