Received: (at 70326) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2024 18:54:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 10 14:54:23 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54381 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rud5R-0003Am-AK for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 14:54:23 -0400 Received: from [78.47.144.35] (port=60314 helo=metalevel.at) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <triska@HIDDEN>) id 1rud5A-00035I-3z for 70326 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 14:54:15 -0400 Received: by metalevel.at (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EFE279C76F; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 20:53:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Triska <triska@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#70326: 30.0.50; Backup Files documentation does not match observed behaviour References: <m2frvtf53e.fsf@HIDDEN> <86h6g9ul5s.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 20:53:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86h6g9ul5s.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 10 Apr 2024 21:28:47 +0300") Message-ID: <87ttk9ujzy.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > "C-x C-w" is not "saving the file from a buffer". "C-h c" says that > "C-x C-w runs the command write-file". So I don't see anything wrong > with what the manual says. Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70326 Cc: 70326 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > "C-x C-w" is not "saving the file from a buffer". "C-h c" says that > "C-x C-w runs the command write-file". So I don't see anything wrong > with what the manual says. To reproduce the issue, you can also type a letter and then use C-x C-s (i.e., save-buffer), and observe the same effect: A backup file is not created, even though a file is saved for the first time from a buffer. All the best, Markus
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In 19.3.2 Backup Files, we read:
"Emacs makes a backup for a file only the first time the file is saved
from a buffer."
However, when I launch Emacs with:
$ emacs -Q
and then do:
C-x C-w backup.txt RET
then the file is saved from the buffer as expected, and Emacs tells me:
"Wrote .../backup.txt"
However, even though this is the first time the file is saved from a
buffer, no backup for a file is created, and buffer-backed-up is nil.
If possible, could you please consider rephrasing the documentation so
that it accurately describes the cases where a backup file is created,
or alternatively adapt the behaviour so that it matches the current
documentation?
Thank you and all the best,
Markus
In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.2.0, X toolkit,
cairo version 1.17.6, Xaw scroll bars) of 2023-09-11 built on
mac
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12011000
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