GNU bug report logs - #70384
[PATCH] 30.0.50; save-mark-and-excursion breaks with tmm disabled

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Package: emacs; Reported by: Paul Nelson <ultrono@HIDDEN>; Keywords: notabug patch wontfix; Done: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
bug closed, send any further explanations to 70384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and Paul Nelson <ultrono@HIDDEN> Request was from Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.
Added tag(s) wontfix and notabug. Request was from Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

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tags 70384 notabug wontfix
close 70384
thanks

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Paul Nelson <ultrono@HIDDEN>,  70384 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 09:55:56 -0400
> 
> > I'm not sure I agree with your expectations.  activate-mark activates
> > the mark unconditionally when transient-mark-mode is disabled, unless
> > you invoke it with a non-nil argument.  And indeed
> >
> >    (save-mark-and-excursion (activate-mark t))
> >
> > behaves like you expect.
> >
> > Stefan, am I missing something?
> 
> It's all very messy with dark corners where the right answer is unclear,
> yes.  That's one of the reasons why I extracted that mark-handling
> functionality out of `save-excursion` in the first place. 🙂
> 
> IOW my opinion is: if you use `save-mark-and-excursion`, you get what
> you deserve.

OK, thanks.  So I'm closing this non-bug as wontfix.
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> I'm not sure I agree with your expectations.  activate-mark activates
> the mark unconditionally when transient-mark-mode is disabled, unless
> you invoke it with a non-nil argument.  And indeed
>
>    (save-mark-and-excursion (activate-mark t))
>
> behaves like you expect.
>
> Stefan, am I missing something?

It's all very messy with dark corners where the right answer is unclear,
yes.  That's one of the reasons why I extracted that mark-handling
functionality out of `save-excursion` in the first place. =F0=9F=99=82

IOW my opinion is: if you use `save-mark-and-excursion`, you get what
you deserve.


        Stefan
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My mistake, I think.  Thanks for looking into this.
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> From: Paul Nelson <ultrono@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:52:42 +0200
> 
> Steps to reproduce:
> 
> - Disable transient-mark-mode.
> - Set the mark somewhere (C-SPC), move the point somewhere else.
> - M-: (save-mark-and-excursion (activate-mark))
> 
> This activates the region, but should not.

I'm not sure I agree with your expectations.  activate-mark activates
the mark unconditionally when transient-mark-mode is disabled, unless
you invoke it with a non-nil argument.  And indeed

   (save-mark-and-excursion (activate-mark t))

behaves like you expect.

Stefan, am I missing something?
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Subject: [PATCH] 30.0.50; save-mark-and-excursion breaks with tmm disabled
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Hello,

Steps to reproduce:

- Disable transient-mark-mode.
- Set the mark somewhere (C-SPC), move the point somewhere else.
- M-: (save-mark-and-excursion (activate-mark))

This activates the region, but should not.

Attaching a patch with the simple fix.

Thanks, best,

Paul

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Acknowledgement sent to Paul Nelson <ultrono@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#70384; Package emacs. Full text available.
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