Received: (at 70587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2024 11:23:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 04 07:23:17 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s3DU4-0001NO-OG for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:23:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58126) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s3DU1-0001NE-4C for 70587 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:23:15 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s3DTY-0003iv-43; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:22:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Qhb3l2IUHm7TLOKXjlqc4rhzRWHHZYpjeIoSJLha97g=; b=G8/6cRmjTUg6 Rh6ddSNrCt23+7+0yd5SRAM5aYNzTTAKhGNCjIgUGsPAChvIuY54aKlufxq+8LHaX96sJ8roJy/Vi qsnH4Qzo2j7piQLOSeZRQDGkfxMqwgra1UoQR3KnXlXQaq3dTFpbbabPip2GA6Wj6ESjdwJbSXmn/ mWBdVGPrR6OfcSBhYEhjPZym+ZGAI7b+wbSeVNvB/dUXtOE6K2y15GU6SY+LtTQVvMAG0ctCkr+bs w0D+x3dim0zzK8GEl//o8w4MJNeYULpLdbGsUj6zBGmkE6EulPP/7mPVzm7L4aOGB3juX8n+/0F9u cxg46l1smRWDtL7iKLWLkw==; Date: Sat, 04 May 2024 14:22:41 +0300 Message-Id: <8634qxhldq.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwvr0epik7l.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 28 Apr 2024 11:30:26 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#70587: More buffers that ought to be read-only References: <87le506i07.n.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jzkkz9f2.fsf@HIDDEN> <ZiuJrLiF5wMDQqTm@HIDDEN> <86bk5wz8a6.fsf@HIDDEN> <8734r7b73v.5.fsf@HIDDEN> <86zftfw841.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvpluajiyh.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <86bk5uul0z.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvedapk03z.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <864jbltt1k.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvr0epik7l.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70587 Cc: 70587 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> > Cc: jidanni@HIDDEN, 70587 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 11:30:26 -0400 > > > Does it mean you will not be terribly mad if I remove the read-only > > setting from "M-x diff", and let it behave as every other client of > > diff-mode? > > I don't have a strong opinion on this, no (diff-mode buffers are > among those where I use `C-x C-q` most frequently). > > `C-x v =` is an important "client of diff-mode" (arguably more > important than `M-x diff`), and it does make `*vc-diff*` read-only, > so if you want to change `M-x diff`, I suggest you change `C-x v =` at > the same time. So the two most important clients of diff-mode unconditionally make the buffer read-only, but we have a diff-mode option that by default leaves the buffer writable? This makes absolutely no sense to me! Does anyone have any explanation for how we ended up in this situation?
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And why visiting a .diff file is different in > this regard? I also think that we should flip diff-default-read-only to true, and drop the special casing in vc-diff. :-)
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> Does it mean you will not be terribly mad if I remove the read-only
> setting from "M-x diff", and let it behave as every other client of
> diff-mode?
I don't have a strong opinion on this, no (diff-mode buffers are
among those where I use `C-x C-q` most frequently).
`C-x v =` is an important "client of diff-mode" (arguably more
important than `M-x diff`), and it does make `*vc-diff*` read-only,
so if you want to change `M-x diff`, I suggest you change `C-x v =` at
the same time.
Stefan
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> Why should *vc-diff* be read-only regardless of
> diff-default-read-only? And why visiting a .diff file is different in
> this regard?
I've been wondering the same and I don't have a good answer.
In practice, I edit diffs much more often when they're in a file than when
they're in *vc-diff*, but it's far from clear to me why that is the case.
Stefan
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And then the user can tweak them to their own tastes.
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> There is no right or wrong answer here. The current design reflects the
> behavior I think makes more sense, but that's largely just my
> personal preference. The above patch was no mistake.
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> But if we install the above patch, then *vc-diff* will suddenly not be
^^^^^^^
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> Stefan, this seems to be due to your changes in b2e4481906ec: you
> added '(setq buffer-read-only t)' which was not there before (in fact,
> the code before those changes did the opposite:
>
> --- a/lisp/vc/diff.el
> +++ b/lisp/vc/diff.el
> @@ -131,37 +147,32 @@
> - (thisdir default-directory)
> - proc)
> - (save-excursion
> - (display-buffer buf)
> - (set-buffer buf)
> - (setq buffer-read-only nil)
> + (with-current-buffer buf
> + (setq buffer-read-only t)
>
> So I suggest to remove the setting of buffer-read-only there'
> diff-mode will do TRT according to diff-default-read-only.
There is no right or wrong answer here. The current design reflects the
behavior I think makes more sense, but that's largely just my
personal preference. The above patch was no mistake.
But if we install the above patch, then *vc-diff* will suddenly not be
read-only any more, so we should arguably change
`diff-default-read-only` at the same time, which will in turn cause
another behavior change when people open a `.diff` file.
Stefan
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> From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN>
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> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 15:24:52 +0800
>
> EZ> I asked for a complete reproduction recipe, so could you please
> EZ> provide such a recipe?
>
> $ emacs -Q /etc
> then on e.g., adduser.conf.update-old, press "=", and enter the second
> name. Redo shows I did
> (dired-diff "/etc/adduser.conf" nil)
Thanks. This is because the command 'diff' unconditionally puts the
buffer into read-only mode.
Stefan, this seems to be due to your changes in b2e4481906ec: you
added '(setq buffer-read-only t)' which was not there before (in fact,
the code before those changes did the opposite:
--- a/lisp/vc/diff.el
+++ b/lisp/vc/diff.el
@@ -131,37 +147,32 @@
- (thisdir default-directory)
- proc)
- (save-excursion
- (display-buffer buf)
- (set-buffer buf)
- (setq buffer-read-only nil)
+ (with-current-buffer buf
+ (setq buffer-read-only t)
So I suggest to remove the setting of buffer-read-only there'
diff-mode will do TRT according to diff-default-read-only.
> Also *Shell Command Output* should be in View mode.
> Otherwise every time we expect to scroll it,
> the strangest thing happens. We end up inserting a
> space (' ') into the beginning of the first line.
> And, a half an hour later, having forgot that mishap,
> end up sticking a "q" in it when it's time to leave.
> q as in quicksand, which is what the buffer feels like.
That's a separate issue, and I don't agree that *Shell Command Output*
should be in View mode by default. The space will only be inserted if
you mistakenly think the buffer is in View mode, and likewise with
'q'.
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EZ> I asked for a complete reproduction recipe, so could you please
EZ> provide such a recipe?
$ emacs -Q /etc
then on e.g., adduser.conf.update-old, press "=", and enter the second
name. Redo shows I did
(dired-diff "/etc/adduser.conf" nil)
Also *Shell Command Output* should be in View mode.
Otherwise every time we expect to scroll it,
the strangest thing happens. We end up inserting a
space (' ') into the beginning of the first line.
And, a half an hour later, having forgot that mishap,
end up sticking a "q" in it when it's time to leave.
q as in quicksand, which is what the buffer feels like.
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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jidanni.org; s=dreamhost; t=1714129328; bh=0Y9aZYIZs1MfAtghR/E/SZ7VgKcj5C6EbgxAzweg40o=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Content-Type; b=tiH/mhS10svfgcE1waHAlDcY3gEqYDEBtsSpHCJ8gbjYu+IWKfkccfy3hTLK5C6/0 H0xsp6BnPL9IAM3/kCWikG9s7vbQKZUCZ094vs6ya31/b749aGztxj1t5kahip27T/ 6EJ//7Zk9z597vgFsPTAcX5Byx2W6ue1tBNBYkDihKJSPX9olCbYabMDWvwflOUK+A 63ns/6KZr5sfUNQ0yUWGDpSftK8QkIbQhYZeFb6yZWNGJ9lgUPFhfd94+n67BhYJY7 C6C3a/HOSIibm140UdJej+7Nu5z7b0Ysxo6epGJSNa7C+Mkdkr1E4CHq7kUhgwEfXa f0iRUO8ElnFlw== Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 19:02:04 +0800 From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#70587: More buffers that ought to be read-only Message-ID: <ZiuJrLiF5wMDQqTm@HIDDEN> References: <87le506i07.n.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jzkkz9f2.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86jzkkz9f2.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70587 Cc: 70587 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) All I know is I use = runs the command dired-diff Also in the "rare case that one needs to use the washroom while driving the car," instead of driving around with the doors open all day long, and seat belts off..." it should be they who are forced to use C-x C-q to make those buffers read-write.
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Full text available.Received: (at 70587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2024 10:49:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 26 06:49:28 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34049 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s0J8s-0001h4-Lo for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 06:49:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45204) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s0J8m-0001a9-2L for 70587 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 06:49:18 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s0J8O-0004Vf-1f; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 06:48:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=oL1PWv8s7A4tzBur8HRWH3xb9Ch+2daRJPiNA55+CIk=; b=NV8+F4X4q29qg8cboY3i QWCPOV8L6BmEDjpWLec+81oHgHAZNNCebNZE6nJxBAjyPBXprdMQI4tFhuG6L+YT5PMC0r3s8XAgp 3hY2o9RdymAQ2zR1qFQn/mSllbWFU02ybPxyqhMGR730zsdoYjReDtJdEJH5eHBKUuYeeC/Zv/HeL wxb/z/MseO10upXKlktiDFkUmVW6D1Gb6MnpxrExxc3SbC0IPCmsyEVYZnCk/+V0g3ghFzcx65mDp dCSlI7V/2UzN6SuMd9/Xg0UEzi2RqgAz546KcH/LXPHuioDxo+xzVt8Ap+8UJ9IZL8sTWU12V8LcR nx4STmKONjdtIg==; Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 13:48:49 +0300 Message-Id: <86jzkkz9f2.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87le506i07.n.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Dan Jacobson on Fri, 26 Apr 2024 09:16:08 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#70587: More buffers that ought to be read-only References: <87le506i07.n.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70587 Cc: 70587 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 09:16:08 +0800 > > diff-default-read-only is a variable defined in ‘diff-mode.el’. > Its value is nil > If non-nil, ‘diff-mode’ buffers default to being read-only. > > That's funny, it seems they are already read-only, without setting this > variable. Maybe this variable can be retired. I cannot reproduce this. E.g., visiting a file that turned on diff-mode doesn't make the buffer read-only. So please show a recipe, preferably starting from "emacs -Q", where a diff-mode buffer is read-only without changing this variable from its default value of nil. > But how about *Shell Command Output*, and errors buffers, they should be > read-only by default too. > > Why? Because tons of times we realize for the last half hour we have > been editing our program's output buffer instead of the source code. > > (Often due to using sh -x or make (without -s) which echo command > lines.) A simple "C-x C-q" should set you up, in those cases. Emacs cannot possibly cater to each and every use case out there. Sometimes you need to do stuff manually, if your case is specialized to require that.
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Maybe this variable can be retired. It's very useful to have them editable sometimes. > The *compilation* buffer of M-x compile is also read-only. Good. > > But how about *Shell Command Output*, and errors buffers, they should be > read-only by default too. > > Why? Because tons of times we realize for the last half hour we have > been editing our program's output buffer instead of the source code. No, it is very useful to be able to edit them. It would make sense to have a customisation variable to change it. --=20 Sean Whitton
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From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN>
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Subject: More buffers that ought to be read-only
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 09:16:08 +0800
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Content preview: diff-default-read-only is a variable defined in ‘diff-mode.el’.
Its value is nil If non-nil, ‘diff-mode’ buffers default to being read-only.
That's funny, it seems they are already read-only, without setting this variable.
Maybe this variable can be retired.
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diff-default-read-only is a variable defined in ‘diff-mode.el’.
Its value is nil
If non-nil, ‘diff-mode’ buffers default to being read-only.
That's funny, it seems they are already read-only, without setting this
variable. Maybe this variable can be retired.
The *compilation* buffer of M-x compile is also read-only. Good.
But how about *Shell Command Output*, and errors buffers, they should be
read-only by default too.
Why? Because tons of times we realize for the last half hour we have
been editing our program's output buffer instead of the source code.
(Often due to using sh -x or make (without -s) which echo command
lines.)
emacs-version "29.3"
Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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