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Full text available.Received: (at 70696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2024 11:41:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 04 07:41:12 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53168 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s3DlQ-0004ex-GW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:41:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57050) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s3DlO-0004em-FX; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:41:11 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s3Dku-0007Fw-F8; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:40:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ySnkc1srwVrJdQVFHcv58D8dRNxfvokFBk5FQp8eY5U=; b=jk9bx4DlAOMI ahCVMtn2kh/MWBE34jWsSzPP6izJqqlPYU1JFFbdTJ2y4i9Hmw3QGKHFtrX15ldDWNlshT6meCtmh 2cYD8QSVJWTLGmw3ISiREKbmWwnNTJYGPc2hPDX0z8ZOcNFjvKuMuBSZ+KmEWul6/TBMTA3SNZq0s PfKGmAh91aSj9xrh9WPhW/8bBxK+XvemOXdJHt9K/rSwgxH9wyx3AHz5ZvxEKOtcOevozF8i9OpQe rxDrjQ1xTojpA5sDxKv1Iq15cARsQeptZxjrvidzyxnTC16+HR+7XN2+d+eTeQURuxmNhD+LLJCZU WiyNEEyFoBo0DKRC5o6kEA==; Date: Sat, 04 May 2024 14:40:37 +0300 Message-Id: <86y18pg5ze.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwv4jbgb7nj.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> (bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN) Subject: Re: bug#70696: [PATCH] Autoload `re-disassemble' References: <87o79pepov.fsf@localhost> <jwva5l8bb16.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87ikzw9tnc.fsf@localhost> <jwv4jbgb7nj.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70696 Cc: yantar92@HIDDEN, 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 70696 notabug wontfix close 70696 thanks > Cc: 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 10:40:04 -0400 > From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> > > > So, I tried to play around with this new function, attempting to see if > > it can be of any use to simplify regular expressions. (Spoiler: alas, it > > is not by itself useful, without knowing the internals of Emacs regexp > > engine.) > > Thanks. That confirms my impression that it's useful only for people > working on the regexp engine. I guess this means we don't want to autoload this command, and I'm therefore closing this bug as wontfix. Thanks.
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> So, I tried to play around with this new function, attempting to see if
> it can be of any use to simplify regular expressions. (Spoiler: alas, it
> is not by itself useful, without knowing the internals of Emacs regexp
> engine.)
Thanks. That confirms my impression that it's useful only for people
working on the regexp engine.
Stefan
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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
> The functionality was designed under the assumption that it's used for
> the benefit of those working on the regexp engine.
>
> AFAIK you're not working on the regexp engine (are you?), so I'm curious
> what you're using this function for: maybe it is more generally useful
> than we thought and it deserves to be less hidden.
I saw the NEWS entry:
** New function 're-disassemble' to see the innards of a regexp.
If you compiled with '--enable-checking', you can use this to help debug
either your regexp performance problems or the regexp engine.
and I noticed the "regexp performance" part, which Org mode sometimes
struggles with (we just had a bug report recently where the problem lies
with way too complex regexp that makes things slow)
So, I tried to play around with this new function, attempting to see if
it can be of any use to simplify regular expressions. (Spoiler: alas, it
is not by itself useful, without knowing the internals of Emacs regexp
engine.)
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> I have recently discovered a new `re-disassemble' command while reading
> NEWS. However, the command is not available by default - one needs to
> (require 'disass). I think it should be autoloaded, just like another
> function in disass.el - `disassemble'.
The functionality was designed under the assumption that it's used for
the benefit of those working on the regexp engine.
AFAIK you're not working on the regexp engine (are you?), so I'm curious
what you're using this function for: maybe it is more generally useful
than we thought and it deserves to be less hidden.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#70696; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 70696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 May 2024 11:24:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 02 07:24:43 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43194 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s2UYN-0007FQ-3U for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2024 07:24:43 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:36885) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1s2UYK-0007FI-16 for 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2024 07:24:41 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D895240105 for <70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 2 May 2024 13:24:12 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1714649052; bh=Dqc4PZMzqWGf7ykX5Z1h74KinxvJJ/cGm0/QfvOGbWQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: From; b=Y+7T/P3ZAuuThN+Di0tsEWdh4bdsQIhc4Q0hNFh/aeWT7CF8soQxxMcPTUbP8AkZQ BXvxHM7/aBsL68tnIlqt9fCRWMvaysBdsi5m54YZ0AJwo+KXQ97B2A26omPulwSgep WVbXSD4xzPrGT9FL3xe+62M/Grkqaj739EKhHiGoi3dNsyATsrCSDJG+loBpwyhmxM hVNoNI0BV5HGtZPmCkqMEkafT5+hT8yeUo3JbGxEKyyS+6Pg06gbE5jMolEFbq1lJZ mUpkOyXdssmMIwgipOs+Dok70WpYK9Pwljn2KlWb3z4f3uN30/45gaWPNTnplVzAkO vgyw1Raf+KZSg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4VVWmB6FNGz6tvw; Thu, 2 May 2024 13:24:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#70696: [PATCH] Autoload `re-disassemble' In-Reply-To: <86jzkclavo.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87o79pepov.fsf@localhost> <86r0ekldxh.fsf@HIDDEN> <04C346A0-F2BC-499C-A7E0-7F526281F0BB@HIDDEN> <87h6fgbjac.fsf@localhost> <86jzkclavo.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 11:25:21 +0000 Message-ID: <878r0sbgm6.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70696 Cc: mattias.engdegard@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN, 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> AFAIK, these kinds of helper functions are usually defined in C code and >> are available without any requires as long as Emacs is compiled with >> right flags. Having to do (require 'disass) was a surprise - I had to >> search Emacs sources. > > I wonder why it was a surprise. I'm quite used to the fact that some > functions and variables are not known until I load their package. You > seem to say that it never happens to you? How come? Emacs has gobs of > stuff that is not autoloaded, including commands and user options. Not in general. I was surprised in the context of regexp-related function. I generally have an expectation that regular expressions are available out of the box, leading to assumption that debug functionality for regular expressions will be available too. That said, I am OK with either decision you make about this. It is just _me_ who were surprised. If others are not, there is no reason to change upstream to meet my intuition. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#70696; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 70696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 May 2024 11:19:44 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 02 07:19:44 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s2UTY-0007Br-A4 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2024 07:19:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40110) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2UTW-0007Bh-2m for 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2024 07:19:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2UT3-0006yd-R6; Thu, 02 May 2024 07:19:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=8LamjwEezSJdpsPvuJbBFp598K7Om1qDFmkKcHWrVCo=; b=SjqNaUr66CvsoPxTXfXe IIQtWyo5XqLDDff7yp5d4pdOa5HkEp9FUwkuKyQ0ZqwFiDQ1erS4KnqFPTJO5NhC0CnAqV1YcFUbJ Q86wbEuDvrTGD2c0TC8TNnO46xVqB7CqYuBfvzOfxaI81YPIC7cvEIDxNh3qKCtj77OvkvjAm/bci JWbNboEFuqKlwl/IC6cbCfZKWOeqd3zB5t2CYIDisHwhWQtX9EjNtYagWlzlEmTrj4a6EG2OpnfJb Lfkh4k5ss4PGDHhUYdWWfZKhcZCg0osWos+DsRnXtTYFF/3L3/R9fIJuOM1KRx2Rt9lKOtIablmvo 0FLe1JfsMIkU2Q==; Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 14:19:07 +0300 Message-Id: <86jzkclavo.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87h6fgbjac.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Thu, 02 May 2024 10:27:39 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#70696: [PATCH] Autoload `re-disassemble' References: <87o79pepov.fsf@localhost> <86r0ekldxh.fsf@HIDDEN> <04C346A0-F2BC-499C-A7E0-7F526281F0BB@HIDDEN> <87h6fgbjac.fsf@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70696 Cc: mattias.engdegard@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN, 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier > <monnier@HIDDEN> > Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 10:27:39 +0000 > > "Mattias Engdegård" <mattias.engdegard@HIDDEN> writes: > > > (Ihor, see it like this: the fact that you want it conveniently accessible means that you are one of a select few who have a reason to use it, and cool enough to add your own local autoload.) > > AFAIK, these kinds of helper functions are usually defined in C code and > are available without any requires as long as Emacs is compiled with > right flags. Having to do (require 'disass) was a surprise - I had to > search Emacs sources. I wonder why it was a surprise. I'm quite used to the fact that some functions and variables are not known until I load their package. You seem to say that it never happens to you? How come? Emacs has gobs of stuff that is not autoloaded, including commands and user options.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#70696; Package emacs.
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[80.217.1.132]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q16-20020a2e9150000000b002e0ecdd9e8csm131088ljg.61.2024.05.02.03.21.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 May 2024 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "=?utf-8?Q?Mattias_Engdeg=C3=A5rd?=" <mattias.engdegard@HIDDEN> X-Google-Original-From: =?utf-8?Q?Mattias_Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= <mattiase@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.15\)) Subject: Re: bug#70696: [PATCH] Autoload `re-disassemble' In-Reply-To: <86r0ekldxh.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 12:21:39 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04C346A0-F2BC-499C-A7E0-7F526281F0BB@HIDDEN> References: <87o79pepov.fsf@localhost> <86r0ekldxh.fsf@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.15) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70696 Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) 2 maj 2024 kl. 12.13 skrev Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>: > This function is mainly intended for maintenance of Emacs itself > and may change at any time. It requires Emacs to be built with > `--enable-checking'." >=20 > So I'm not sure we want this auto-loaded. I don't think it's important to auto-load it either. (Ihor, see it like this: the fact that you want it conveniently = accessible means that you are one of a select few who have a reason to = use it, and cool enough to add your own local autoload.)
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Full text available.Received: (at 70696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 May 2024 10:14:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 02 06:14:01 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42851 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s2TRw-0006YT-M5 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2024 06:14:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36390) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2TRo-0006YG-Nu for 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2024 06:13:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2TRL-0003km-Nq; Thu, 02 May 2024 06:13:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=/wQwLk1dU1GfrzdIKCzRRaBcHoA6b3lw7nsfKLX3sqA=; b=fNiaa7otwubuO6pokZ89 NiC1XRIeJR3jVAevD9DyaiVUxAS5ijF0274hJCuQK5srKVepfN2byfhUHhgRT8FeS1jrbJYQxF6Xg xUGcet9Ww2WrAhrX/1vqchOQu+GSX/2LjEyj99rT50KKH09H3fPrTlB2NCjxX1S70Xr7uIkUqokbv zNcSFOQVjfY1qjaO9+1hfHQ9h+0npMFwdljYg6y2Gzy6Ot+OrMv3/zF5IMIepEfSwSmQLtFk95yV5 Zl99cHnvXlybEFyUqDY11RmIZzs3VUIgxJ9yFpaR3/0uJ13DYmyctLLNz9ulLgMFqDJH13rWccGiO jMaPwZRIuHO21Q==; Date: Thu, 02 May 2024 13:13:14 +0300 Message-Id: <86r0ekldxh.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>, Mattias =?utf-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= <mattiase@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87o79pepov.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 01 May 2024 11:28:48 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#70696: [PATCH] Autoload `re-disassemble' References: <87o79pepov.fsf@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70696 Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 70696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 01 May 2024 11:28:48 +0000 > > I have recently discovered a new `re-disassemble' command while reading > NEWS. However, the command is not available by default - one needs to > (require 'disass). I think it should be autoloaded, just like another > function in disass.el - `disassemble'. The doc string says: This function is mainly intended for maintenance of Emacs itself and may change at any time. It requires Emacs to be built with `--enable-checking'." So I'm not sure we want this auto-loaded. Adding Mattias and Stefan to the discussion.
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However, the command is not available by default - one needs to (require 'disass). I think it should be autoloaded, just like another function in disass.el - `disassemble'. In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 4, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0) of 2024-05-01 built on localhost Repository revision: cde58b309588008707cc8b00919eb24801e42eb6 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101013 System Description: Gentoo Linux Configured using: 'configure --enable-checking=yes,glyphs CFLAGS=-g3' --=-=-= Content-Type: text/patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Autoload-re-disassemble.patch From 91ddb836b5e1594adf41f2658d4c07b053873f9d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 Message-ID: <91ddb836b5e1594adf41f2658d4c07b053873f9d.1714562831.git.yantar92@HIDDEN> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 14:26:09 +0300 Subject: [PATCH] Autoload `re-disassemble' * lisp/emacs-lisp/disass.el (re-disassemble): Autoload the command to make it more discoverable. --- lisp/emacs-lisp/disass.el | 1 + 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+) diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/disass.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/disass.el index 60881ab176b..8a4d2f6ffb9 100644 --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/disass.el +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/disass.el @@ -292,6 +292,7 @@ disassemble-1 (insert "\n"))))) nil) +;;;###autoload (defun re-disassemble (regexp &optional case-table) "Describe the compiled form of REGEXP in a separate window. 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