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30.0.50; repunctuate-sentences should respect sentence-end-double-space

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Package: emacs; Severity: wishlist; Reported by: Geoffrey Teale <tealeg@HIDDEN>; dated Wed, 8 May 2024 13:55:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.

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On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 08:58, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> wrote:

> > So you are saying that query-replace already does the job?  Fine by
> > me; if no one else supports this bug report in a week or two, I will
> > close.
>
> Actually there is another problem: whereas it's easy to rely on the
> variable sentence-end-double-space as was asked by this request:
>
> diff --git a/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el b/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el
> index af99a96e045..974a83efdea 100644
> --- a/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el
> +++ b/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el
> @@ -532,7 +532,10 @@ repunctuate-sentences
>                               (end (use-region-end))))
>    (interactive (list nil (use-region-beginning) (use-region-end)))
>    (let ((regexp "\\([]\"')]?\\)\\([.?!]\\)\\([]\"')]?\\) +")
> -        (to-string "\\1\\2\\3  "))
> +        (to-string (concat "\\1\\2\\3 "
> +                           (if sentence-end-double-space
> +                               " "
> +                             ""))))
>      (if no-query
>          (progn
>            (when start (goto-char start))
>
> But the problem is that when a user customized
> sentence-end-double-space to nil, the user still
> might want to put two spaces since the docstring says:
>
>   "Put two spaces at the end of sentences"
>
> So using one space will contradict the docstring.
>

I was actually aware about the docstring when I raised the bug, but I
assumed that changing that docstring would be part of the fix.  If I get to
the essence of the issue: two spaces at the end of a sentence is no
longer considered correct in most prose-authoring contexts.  In that sense
what I really wanted is the ability to automatically remove any such
instances from an Org or Markdown file, for example.  When I went looking
for that in emacs this seemed like the correct tool for the job, and it is
a little bit glaring that there's such a variable that one can set, but
this function, defined in the same file, doesn't respect it.

That said, yes of course one could easily use query-replace as suggested
above.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 08:58, Juri Linkov=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:juri@HIDDEN">juri@HIDDEN</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&gt; So you are sayi=
ng that query-replace already does the job?=C2=A0 Fine by<br>
&gt; me; if no one else supports this bug report in a week or two, I will<b=
r>
&gt; close.<br>
<br>
Actually there is another problem: whereas it&#39;s easy to rely on the<br>
variable sentence-end-double-space as was asked by this request:<br>
<br>
diff --git a/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el b/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el<br=
>
index af99a96e045..974a83efdea 100644<br>
--- a/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el<br>
+++ b/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el<br>
@@ -532,7 +532,10 @@ repunctuate-sentences<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (end (use-region-end))))<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(interactive (list nil (use-region-beginning) (use-region-end)=
))<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(let ((regexp &quot;\\([]\&quot;&#39;)]?\\)\\([.?!]\\)\\([]\&q=
uot;&#39;)]?\\) +&quot;)<br>
-=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (to-string &quot;\\1\\2\\3=C2=A0 &quot;))<br>
+=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (to-string (concat &quot;\\1\\2\\3 &quot;<br>
+=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(if sentence-end-double-space<br>
+=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot; &quot;<br>
+=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;&quot;))))<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(if no-query<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(progn<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(when start (goto-char start))<br>
<br>
But the problem is that when a user customized<br>
sentence-end-double-space to nil, the user still<br>
might want to put two spaces since the docstring says:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 &quot;Put two spaces at the end of sentences&quot;<br>
<br>
So using one space will contradict the docstring.<br></blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>I was actually aware about the docstring when I raised the bug, =
but I assumed that changing that docstring would be part of the fix.=C2=A0 =
If I get to the essence of the issue: two spaces at the end of a sentence i=
s no longer=C2=A0considered correct in most prose-authoring contexts.=C2=A0=
 In that sense what I really wanted is the ability to automatically remove =
any such instances from an Org or Markdown file, for example.=C2=A0 When I =
went looking for that in emacs this seemed like the correct tool for the jo=
b, and it is a little bit glaring that there&#39;s such a variable that one=
 can set, but this function, defined in the same file, doesn&#39;t respect =
it.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>That said, yes of course one could=
 easily use query-replace as suggested above.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
v>--=C2=A0</div><div><br></div></div></div>

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> So you are saying that query-replace already does the job?  Fine by
> me; if no one else supports this bug report in a week or two, I will
> close.

Actually there is another problem: whereas it's easy to rely on the
variable sentence-end-double-space as was asked by this request:

diff --git a/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el b/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el
index af99a96e045..974a83efdea 100644
--- a/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el
+++ b/lisp/textmodes/paragraphs.el
@@ -532,7 +532,10 @@ repunctuate-sentences
                              (end (use-region-end))))
   (interactive (list nil (use-region-beginning) (use-region-end)))
   (let ((regexp "\\([]\"')]?\\)\\([.?!]\\)\\([]\"')]?\\) +")
-        (to-string "\\1\\2\\3  "))
+        (to-string (concat "\\1\\2\\3 "
+                           (if sentence-end-double-space
+                               " "
+                             ""))))
     (if no-query
         (progn
           (when start (goto-char start))

But the problem is that when a user customized
sentence-end-double-space to nil, the user still
might want to put two spaces since the docstring says:

  "Put two spaces at the end of sentences"

So using one space will contradict the docstring.




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> From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>
> Cc: tealeg@HIDDEN,  70832 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 19:30:52 +0300
> 
> A special command 'repunctuate-sentences' that uses 'query-replace'
> is required for the value 'sentence-end-double-space' because
> replacements from 1 space to 2 spaces are ambiguous (e.g.
> such text as "e.g." still require 1 space after the period),
> therefore the command should query every replacement.
> OTOH, the reverse replacement from 2 to 1 space is quite
> straightforward.

So you are saying that query-replace already does the job?  Fine by
me; if no one else supports this bug report in a week or two, I will
close.




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>> >> In paragraphs.el there is a variable  'sentence-end-doulbe-space` that indicates where we should expect
>> >> sentences to end with one or two spaces after a period. In the same file a command is provided called
>> >> "repunctuate-sentences", which steadfastly ignores the value of this variable and expands all single-space
>> >> endings to two-space endings.
>> >>
>> >> It strikes me that the naming of this command does not imply that it will insist on two-spaces (even if the docs
>> >> say so), and it would be more sensible and offer more utility for it to respect the users wishes.  As the variable
>> >> default to `t, changing this function would have zero impact on the default behaviour.
>> >
>> > Patches to allow repunctuate-sentences heed the value of
>> > sentence-end-double-space are welcome.
>> 
>> The purpose of repunctuate-sentences is
>> to put two spaces at the end of sentences.
>> What should it do when sentence-end-double-space is nil?
>
> Leave just one space between sentences, I think.

A special command 'repunctuate-sentences' that uses 'query-replace'
is required for the value 'sentence-end-double-space' because
replacements from 1 space to 2 spaces are ambiguous (e.g.
such text as "e.g." still require 1 space after the period),
therefore the command should query every replacement.
OTOH, the reverse replacement from 2 to 1 space is quite
straightforward.




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> From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Geoffrey Teale <tealeg@HIDDEN>,  70832 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 09:58:05 +0300
> 
> >> In paragraphs.el there is a variable  'sentence-end-doulbe-space` that indicates where we should expect
> >> sentences to end with one or two spaces after a period. In the same file a command is provided called
> >> "repunctuate-sentences", which steadfastly ignores the value of this variable and expands all single-space
> >> endings to two-space endings.
> >>
> >> It strikes me that the naming of this command does not imply that it will insist on two-spaces (even if the docs
> >> say so), and it would be more sensible and offer more utility for it to respect the users wishes.  As the variable
> >> default to `t, changing this function would have zero impact on the default behaviour.
> >
> > Patches to allow repunctuate-sentences heed the value of
> > sentence-end-double-space are welcome.
> 
> The purpose of repunctuate-sentences is
> to put two spaces at the end of sentences.
> What should it do when sentence-end-double-space is nil?

Leave just one space between sentences, I think.




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>> In paragraphs.el there is a variable  'sentence-end-doulbe-space` that indicates where we should expect
>> sentences to end with one or two spaces after a period. In the same file a command is provided called
>> "repunctuate-sentences", which steadfastly ignores the value of this variable and expands all single-space
>> endings to two-space endings.
>>
>> It strikes me that the naming of this command does not imply that it will insist on two-spaces (even if the docs
>> say so), and it would be more sensible and offer more utility for it to respect the users wishes.  As the variable
>> default to `t, changing this function would have zero impact on the default behaviour.
>
> Patches to allow repunctuate-sentences heed the value of
> sentence-end-double-space are welcome.

The purpose of repunctuate-sentences is
to put two spaces at the end of sentences.
What should it do when sentence-end-double-space is nil?




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> From: Geoffrey Teale <tealeg@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 12:21:50 +0200
> 
> In paragraphs.el there is a variable  'sentence-end-doulbe-space` that indicates where we should expect
> sentences to end with one or two spaces after a period. In the same file a command is provided called
> "repunctuate-sentences", which steadfastly ignores the value of this variable and expands all single-space
> endings to two-space endings. 
> 
> It strikes me that the naming of this command does not imply that it will insist on two-spaces (even if the docs
> say so), and it would be more sensible and offer more utility for it to respect the users wishes.  As the variable
> default to `t, changing this function would have zero impact on the default behaviour. 

Patches to allow repunctuate-sentences heed the value of
sentence-end-double-space are welcome.




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In paragraphs.el there is a variable  'sentence-end-doulbe-space` that
indicates where we should expect sentences to end with one or two spaces
after a period. In the same file a command is provided called
"repunctuate-sentences", which steadfastly ignores the value of this
variable and expands all single-space endings to two-space endings.

It strikes me that the naming of this command does not imply that it will
insist on two-spaces (even if the docs say so), and it would be more
sensible and offer more utility for it to respect the users wishes.  As the
variable default to `t, changing this function would have zero impact on
the default behaviour.

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Acknowledgement sent to Geoffrey Teale <tealeg@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#70832; Package emacs. Full text available.
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