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24.3.92; appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in conjunction with display-time-and-date)

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From: dieter <at> duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm)
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.92; appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in conjunction with
 display-time-and-date)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 07:21:11 +0200

Hello,

in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode
line is not formatted harmoniously.  The appointment message does not
have a white-space at the end but in the beginning.

Thanks for Emacs

       Dieter






In GNU Emacs 24.3.92.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.24)
 of 2014-07-18 on vsl28t2g
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11600000
System Description:	Debian GNU/Linux testing (jessie)

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_GB.utf8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Emacs-Lisp

Minor modes in effect:
  erc-list-mode: t
  erc-menu-mode: t
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  erc-pcomplete-mode: t
  erc-track-mode: t
  erc-track-minor-mode: t
  erc-match-mode: t
  erc-button-mode: t
  erc-fill-mode: t
  erc-stamp-mode: t
  erc-netsplit-mode: t
  erc-irccontrols-mode: t
  erc-noncommands-mode: t
  erc-move-to-prompt-mode: t
  erc-readonly-mode: t
  diff-auto-refine-mode: t
  display-time-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
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  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
<backspace> w h <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> 
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> 
C-x o / e u <backspace> <backspace> q u e r y SPC w 
i l h e <tab> <return> G u t e n SPC M <backspace> 
M O r g e <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> 
o r g e n SPC V i c k y , SPC d u SPC b e n u t z t 
<backspace> <backspace> z t SPC n o c h <backspace> 
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> H a n g o u t s 
? <return> M-x b u <tab> g <tab> <tab> C-a C-k r e 
p o <tab> r <tab> b <tab> <tab> e m <tab> <return> 
A p p o i n t m e n t SPC m e a s s <backspace> <backspace> 
<backspace> s s a g e SPC i s SPC o <backspace> n o 
t SPC p r o p e r t <backspace> l y SPC f o r m a t 
t e d SPC i n SPC c o n j u n c t i o n SPC w i t h 
SPC M-b M-b M-b M-f SPC t h e SPC m o d e l i n e , 
SPC w h e n C-k SPC t h e SPC t i m e SPC M-b M-b a 
l s o SPC C-e i s SPC s <backspace> d i s p l a y e 
d C-g C-g C-h f a p o <backspace> p <tab> t - d i s 
<tab> p l <tab> <backspace> <backspace> l <tab> <return> 
<tab> <tab> <return> <tab> <tab> <tab> <return> <tab> 
<return> C-s n o w C-g C-x b * m <tab> <backspace> 
u n <tab> C-g M-x M-p <return>

Recent messages:
uncompressing appt.el.gz...done
Note: file is write protected
Quit
Making completion list...
Quit
X is undefined
o is undefined
x is undefined
Quit [2 times]
pop-to-mark-command: No mark set in this buffer [3 times]

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-- 
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt, Germany

Message #8 received at 18164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: dieter <at> duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm)
Cc: 18164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18164: 24.3.92;
 appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in conjunction with
 display-time-and-date)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 04:59:45 -0400

H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote:

> in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode
> line is not formatted harmoniously.

(If appt is activated before display-time rather than after.)

> The appointment message does not have a white-space at the end but in
> the beginning.

Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say
that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end.

It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode
has the same issue.

Message #11 received at 18164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: dieter <at> duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm)
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 18164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18164: 24.3.92;
 appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in conjunction with
 display-time-and-date)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 14:50:59 +0200

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode
>> line is not formatted harmoniously.
>
> (If appt is activated before display-time rather than after.)

I see, for the time being, I'll activate then display-time before
app-activate... :-)

When I'm already nitpicking, then I think the point behind the warning
time in minutes, like this: `3 min.'  is unnecessary. If there is a
white-space behind `min ' then it represents the (well known) physical
unit and must not be an abbreviated minute.

>> The appointment message does not have a white-space at the end but in
>> the beginning.
>
> Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say
> that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end.
>
> It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode
> has the same issue.

Then this is calling for a general mode-line guide-line ;-).  Everything
textual must be followed by a whitespace.

-- 
Thank you

      Dieter


Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt, Germany

Message #14 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: s shaw <skye.shaw <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: bug#18164: 24.3.92; appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in
 conjunction with display-time-and-date)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 19:16:14 -0500

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>> Glenn Morris wrote:
>> ... I could equally well say that display-time-mode-string does not have
>> space at either end.
>> It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode +
display-battery-mode
>> has the same issue.

> H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote:
> Then this is calling for a general mode-line guide-line ;-).  Everything
> textual must be followed by a whitespace.

​While not explicitly stated it is implied[1] that a minor mode's lighter
should begin with a space to prevent these issues.

> H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote:
> for the time being, I'll activate then display-time before
app-activate... :-)

Requiring one to load in a particular order or having to reformat
global-mode-string is in some ways contrary to idea behind mode line
control: don't modify mode-line-format, let it delegate the work to its
contents.

Why not just start each of these modes' string with a space?

[1]
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Defining-Minor-Modes.html

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Message #17 received at 18164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "H. Dieter Wilhelm" <dieter <at> duenenhof-wilhelm.de>, 18164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18164: 24.3.92; appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in
 conjunction with display-time-and-date)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 17:49:44 +0200

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode
>> line is not formatted harmoniously.
>
> (If appt is activated before display-time rather than after.)
>
>> The appointment message does not have a white-space at the end but in
>> the beginning.
>
> Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say
> that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end.
>
> It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode
> has the same issue.

There wasn't a convention to handle this before, so some
global-mode-string elements added it to the start, and some added it to
the end, and some didn't add it at all.  This has been changed in Emacs
28 (to add the space at the end), and I've now adjusted the appt string,
too.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #22 received at 18164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "H. Dieter Wilhelm" <dieter <at> duenenhof-wilhelm.de>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 18164 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18164: 24.3.92; appt-mode-line is missing a white-space (in
 conjunction with display-time-and-date)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:20:52 +0200

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
> Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:
>> Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say
>> that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end.
>>
>> It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode
>> has the same issue.
>
> There wasn't a convention to handle this before, so some
> global-mode-string elements added it to the start, and some added it to
> the end, and some didn't add it at all.  This has been changed in Emacs
> 28 (to add the space at the end), and I've now adjusted the appt string,
> too.

Thank you very much!

-- 
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Zwingenberg, Germany

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