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24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Bremner <david <at> tethera.net>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.4; please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:55:36 +0100

I think it's a bad default to include the view-lossage in every bug
report. In addition to the obvious risk of leaking private files, many
users are using emacs to communicate via email and IRC; IRC seems
particularly high risk because complete lines are typed together.  I
have left the IRC conversation that reminded me to report this bug
intact to illustrate this. It could also happen that the contents of
encrypted files and emails are leaked this way; I guess many users edit
GnuPG encrypted files of secrets like passwords with emacs.

I understand that the user has the chance to review the bug report and
delete private things, but I think there is a good chance that the few
lines of view-lossage will be overlooked in the middle of approximately
300 lines of configuration information.

I'd be fine with some "opt-in" mechanism; perhaps a calling a
hypothetical function "insert-lossage-infomation" could be suggested in
the text.

In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.3)
 of 2014-10-25 on trouble, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11601000
System Description:	Debian GNU/Linux testing (jessie)

Configured using:
 `configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr
 --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib
 --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info
 --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes
 --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
 --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib
 --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var/lib
 --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes
 --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
 --with-x=yes --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars
 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat
 -Werror=format-security -Wall' CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro'

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_CA.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Circe Channel

Minor modes in effect:
  diff-auto-refine-mode: t
  tracking-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
. SPC I SPC w o n d e r SPC i f SPC t h e r e SPC SPC 
i s SPC a SPC r e l a t <M-backspace> <M-backspace> 
<M-backspace> <M-backspace> i t ' s SPC b e e d <backspace> 
n SPC r e p o r t e d SPC a s SPC a SPC b i u g <backspace> 
<backspace> <backspace> u g <return> o z <tab> w e 
l l , SPC i t ' s SPC s h o w n SPC i s <backspace> 
n SPC a SPC m a s s SPC o f SPC o t h e r SPC s t u 
f f , SPC s o SPC t e c h n i c a l l y SPC t h e SPC 
u s e r SPC c o n s e n t s <return> b u t SPC y e 
a h , SPC b u d <backspace> <backspace> a d SPC d e 
f e a u l t SPC <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> 
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> a u l t SPC I M 
H O <return> h a t r <backspace> <backspace> r d SPC 
t o SPC s e a r c h SPC f o r . <return> s c r e w 
SPC i t , SPC I ' l l SPC j u e <backspace> s t SPC 
r e p o r t SPC t h e SPC b u g SPC a n d SPC g e t 
SPC y e l l e d SPC a t SPC f o r SPC r e <backspace> 
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> 
<return> M-x r e p o r t - e m a <tab> <return>

Recent messages:
recover-file: ~/#foo.el# is an auto-save file
Saving file /home/bremner/foo.el...
Wrote /home/bremner/foo.el
Undo!
Buffer foo.el has shrunk a lot; auto save disabled in that buffer until next real save
user-error: No further undo information
No local help at point
You can run the command `display-local-help' with C-h .
No local help at point
Type C-x 1 to delete the help window, C-M-v to scroll help.

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Message #8 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: David Bremner <david <at> tethera.net>
Cc: 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400

I can't remember a single bug report in which I found the lossage useful
or relevant. I'd be happy to just remove it. We can always ask for it in
the extremely rare cases where it is needed.

Message #11 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: David Bremner <david <at> tethera.net>, 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:13:55 -0400

> I can't remember a single bug report in which I found the lossage useful
> or relevant. I'd be happy to just remove it. We can always ask for it in
> the extremely rare cases where it is needed.

Fine by me,


        Stefan

Message #14 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: david <at> tethera.net, 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 11:04:47 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > I can't remember a single bug report in which I found the lossage useful
  > or relevant. I'd be happy to just remove it. We can always ask for it in
  > the extremely rare cases where it is needed.

Are you thinking of a reproducible bug?  It isn't needed for them.  It
is meant to be useful for irreproducible bugs, if the user runs
report-emacs-bug right away.

To make it possible to ask for those data later, they have to be
saved.  We could make report-emacs-bug save them in a file
in case they are asked for.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Message #17 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Bremner <david <at> tethera.net>
To: rms <at> gnu.org, Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;	please don't include view-lossage in bug
 reports by default
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 17:02:45 +0100

Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> writes:

>
> Are you thinking of a reproducible bug?  It isn't needed for them.  It
> is meant to be useful for irreproducible bugs, if the user runs
> report-emacs-bug right away.
>
> To make it possible to ask for those data later, they have to be
> saved.  We could make report-emacs-bug save them in a file
> in case they are asked for.

I'd worry a bit about similar issues with writing sensitive information
to disk in clear text. Although this is almost certainly less severe of
a problem than sending the same information to a public mailing list, it
still doesn't seem like a good default to me.

What about a seperate function "report-bug-with-key-log" so that the
user has to consciously make a choice to send this information? One can
of course debate about the name, I would just prefer transparency to
tradition here.

Cheers,

David

Message #20 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: david <at> tethera.net, 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 13:07:53 -0400

Richard Stallman wrote:

> is meant to be useful for irreproducible bugs, if the user runs
> report-emacs-bug right away.

I'm saying I can't remember a single case where that happened, in
several 1000 bug reports. I think "accidentally included some private
data" is many, many more times likely to occur. So I don't see the need
for any clever lossage handling.

Message #23 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: david <at> tethera.net, 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 00:57:12 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

I think I added the feature.  I must have wanted to see that
information sometimes.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

Message #26 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: david <at> tethera.net, 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:41:31 -0500

Richard Stallman wrote:

> I think I added the feature.  I must have wanted to see that
> information sometimes.

It was a long time ago, perhaps such problems were more frequent then.
They are very rare/nonexistent now.

Message #29 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: david <at> tethera.net, rms <at> gnu.org, 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:29:17 -0500

>> I think I added the feature.  I must have wanted to see that
>> information sometimes.
> It was a long time ago, perhaps such problems were more frequent then.
> They are very rare/nonexistent now.

As mentioned earlier, I fully agree.  Let's just delete the view-lossage
from report-emacs-bug.


        Stefan

Message #34 received at 18900-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 18900-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:07:40 -0500

Version: 24.5

Stefan Monnier wrote:

> Let's just delete the view-lossage from report-emacs-bug.

Message #37 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, david <at> tethera.net, 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 17:47:59 +0200

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:07:40 -0500
> 
> Version: 24.5
> 
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
> 
> > Let's just delete the view-lossage from report-emacs-bug.

Thanks, but why on the release branch?  There shouldn't be behavior
changes and non-bugfixes there...

Message #40 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: david <at> tethera.net, 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:47:56 -0500

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> Thanks, but why on the release branch?  There shouldn't be behavior
> changes and non-bugfixes there...

Because silently including someone's private data in a bug report would
be a bad bug IMO.

Message #43 received at 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: david <at> tethera.net, 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#18900: 24.4;
 please don't include view-lossage in bug reports by default
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:07:45 +0200

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 18900 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  david <at> tethera.net
> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:47:56 -0500
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> > Thanks, but why on the release branch?  There shouldn't be behavior
> > changes and non-bugfixes there...
> 
> Because silently including someone's private data in a bug report would
> be a bad bug IMO.

We've been doing that for eons...

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