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25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error (void-variable w3--args)

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From: Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error (void-variable
 w3--args)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 08:35:36 -0500

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Invoking the command W3-fetch interactively, I enter a URL when
prompted. But w3 always crashes with a backtrace like this:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable w3--args)
  w3-display-node((*document nil ((html ((xmlns . 
"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml")) ((head nil ((title nil ("Alabama New 
License Application Info | DMV.org")) (meta (... ...) nil) (meta (... 
...) nil) (meta (... ...) nil) (meta (... ...) nil) (meta (... ...) nil) 
(meta (... ...) nil) (meta (... ...) nil) (meta (... ...) nil) (meta 
(... ...) nil) (meta (... ...) nil) (meta (... ...) nil) (meta (... ...) 
nil) (meta (... ...) nil) (link (... ... ...) nil) (link (... ... ... 
... ...) nil) (link (... ... ... ... ...) nil))) (body nil ((bodytext 
nil (... ... ... ... ... ...)))))))))
  w3-draw-tree(((*document nil ((html ((xmlns . 
"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml")) ((head nil ((title nil ...) (meta ... 
nil) (meta ... nil) (meta ... nil) (meta ... nil) (meta ... nil) (meta 
... nil) (meta ... nil) (meta ... nil) (meta ... nil) (meta ... nil) 
(meta ... nil) (meta ... nil) (meta ... nil) (link ... nil) (link ... 
nil) (link ... nil))) (body nil ((bodytext nil ...)))))))))
  w3-prepare-buffer()
w3-fetch-callback("http://www.dmv.org/al-alabama/apply-license.php")
* w3-fetch-redirect-callback(nil 
"http://www.dmv.org/al-alabama/apply-license.php")
  apply(w3-fetch-redirect-callback (nil 
"http://www.dmv.org/al-alabama/apply-license.php"))
  url-http-activate-callback()
  url-http-chunked-encoding-after-change-function(55126 55599 473)
  url-http-generic-filter(#<process www.dmv.org> "\" 
src=\"http://onlineguru.112.2o7.net/b/ss/dmvorg/1/H.24.1--NS/0\"/>\n<img 
height=\"1\" width=\"1\" alt=\"\" 
src=\"http://pixel.quantserve.com/pixel/p-s_aNqFS0D2k_x.gif\"/>\n<img 
height=\"1\" width=\"1\" alt=\"\" 
src=\"http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/viewthroughconversion/1066174917/?value=0&amp;guid=ON&amp;script=0\"/>\n<img 
height=\"1\" width=\"1\" alt=\"\" 
src=\"https://www.facebook.com/tr?id=729609693827696&amp;ev=PixelInitialized\"/>\n</div></noscript>\n\n</body>\n</html>\n\n00000000\n\n")
  read-event(nil t 2)
  sit-for(2)
  execute-extended-command(nil "w3-fetch" "w3-fetch")
  funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "w3-fetch" "w3-fetch")
  call-interactively(execute-extended-command nil nil)
  command-execute(execute-extended-command)

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Message #10 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>
Cc: 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1;
 Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error (void-variable
 w3--args)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 13:30:56 -0500

w3 is not part of Emacs or GNU ELPA. Please report your issue to whoever
maintains w3. (You might want to switch to eww, which is part of Emacs.)

Message #17 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>
Cc: 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1;
 Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error (void-variable
 w3--args)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 13:41:58 -0500

Glenn Morris wrote:

> w3 is not part of Emacs or GNU ELPA. Please report your issue to whoever
> maintains w3. (You might want to switch to eww, which is part of Emacs.)

I'm sorry, apparently it is in GNU ELPA.
(I get confused by the things that are maintained as externals in elpa.git).
Still, doesn't seem actively maintained, based on
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/w3

Message #24 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>
Cc: 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1;
 Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error (void-variable
 w3--args)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:26:25 -0500

Glenn Morris wrote:

> Still, doesn't seem actively maintained, based on
> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/w3

To expand on this:

According to the above url:
The package was last developed 8.5 years ago.
It was added to elpa.gnu.org 3 years ago, with 4 commits.
The error you are seeing comes from one of those commits ("try to fix
compiler warnings"). "M-x w3" has the same error. So I can only
assume this package has not been tested or used by anyone since it was
added to elpa.gnu.org.
So I have to wonder what the value of having it there is.

I suggest you use M-x eww instead, and that if no-one wants to maintain
w3 it be removed from elpa.gnu.org.

Message #27 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 25394 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>,
 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error
 (void-variable w3--args)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 09:50:46 +0200

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> Still, doesn't seem actively maintained, based on
>> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/w3
>
> To expand on this:
>
> According to the above url:
> The package was last developed 8.5 years ago.
> It was added to elpa.gnu.org 3 years ago, with 4 commits.
> The error you are seeing comes from one of those commits ("try to fix
> compiler warnings"). "M-x w3" has the same error. So I can only
> assume this package has not been tested or used by anyone since it was
> added to elpa.gnu.org.
> So I have to wonder what the value of having it there is.
>
> I suggest you use M-x eww instead, and that if no-one wants to maintain
> w3 it be removed from elpa.gnu.org.

(This was two years ago.)

I agree -- when it doesn't even start up with `M-x w3' it seems pretty
useless to have in GNU ELPA.

How does one remove something from ELPA?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #30 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>,
 Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>, 25394 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error
 (void-variable w3--args)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 14:38:33 +0100

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> Still, doesn't seem actively maintained, based on
>>> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/w3
>>
>> To expand on this:
>>
>> According to the above url:
>> The package was last developed 8.5 years ago.
>> It was added to elpa.gnu.org 3 years ago, with 4 commits.
>> The error you are seeing comes from one of those commits ("try to fix
>> compiler warnings"). "M-x w3" has the same error. So I can only
>> assume this package has not been tested or used by anyone since it was
>> added to elpa.gnu.org.
>> So I have to wonder what the value of having it there is.
>>
>> I suggest you use M-x eww instead, and that if no-one wants to maintain
>> w3 it be removed from elpa.gnu.org.
>
> (This was two years ago.)
>
> I agree -- when it doesn't even start up with `M-x w3' it seems pretty
> useless to have in GNU ELPA.
>
> How does one remove something from ELPA?

Indeed, the development seems to have completely stalled.  See also:
1. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/w3-dev/
2. https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/w3.git

Here's a patch to remove anything that seems related to it from the
ELPA repository.  Is there anything else that needs doing?

Stefan Monnier, do you know the answer to this question?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

[remove-w3.diff (text/x-diff, inline)]

diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index be5cc5cca..ef445c38f 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -68,7 +68,6 @@ packages/svg/
 packages/system-packages/
 packages/tramp/
 packages/verilog-mode/
-packages/w3/
 packages/webfeeder/
 packages/wisitoken-grammar-mode/
 packages/xelb/
diff --git a/copyright_exceptions b/copyright_exceptions
index e618db911..088465728 100644
--- a/copyright_exceptions
+++ b/copyright_exceptions
@@ -53,4 +53,3 @@
 ./uni-confusables/uni-confusables.el
 ./uni-confusables/uni-confusables.el:;; Copyright (C) 1991-2009, 2010 Unicode, Inc.
 ./uni-confusables/uni-confusables.el:;; for the copyright and permission notice.
-./w3/w3-cus.el:  ;; Glossary, Copyright, Chapter, Section, Subsection, Appendix,
diff --git a/externals-list b/externals-list
index 74e73c190..7e5556435 100644
--- a/externals-list
+++ b/externals-list
@@ -146,7 +146,6 @@
  ("tramp"		:external "https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/tramp.git/?h=elpa")
  ;;FIXME:("vlf"		:subtree ??)
  ("verilog-mode"        :core "lisp/progmodes/verilog-mode.el")
- ("w3"			:external nil)
  ("wcheck-mode"		:subtree "https://github.com/tlikonen/wcheck-mode.git")
  ("web-server"		:subtree "https://github.com/eschulte/emacs-web-server.git")
  ("webfeeder"		:external "https://gitlab.com/ambrevar/emacs-webfeeder.git")

Message #33 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>, 25394 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error
 (void-variable w3--args)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 14:15:33 -0400

>>>> Still, doesn't seem actively maintained, based on
>>>> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/w3

Definitely not maintained.

>>> compiler warnings"). "M-x w3" has the same error. So I can only
>>> assume this package has not been tested or used by anyone since it was
>>> added to elpa.gnu.org.

I did do some limited testing back then.  Maybe my tests were too
limited or bitrot has caused the problems we're seeing.
It shouldn't be too hard to fix.

> Indeed, the development seems to have completely stalled.  See also:
> 1. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/w3-dev/
> 2. https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/w3.git

I moved it to GNU ELPA in order to keep it on life-support.


        Stefan

Message #36 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 25394 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>,
 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error
 (void-variable w3--args)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 02:58:28 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>>>> Still, doesn't seem actively maintained, based on
>>>>> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/w3
>
> Definitely not maintained.
>
>>>> compiler warnings"). "M-x w3" has the same error. So I can only
>>>> assume this package has not been tested or used by anyone since it was
>>>> added to elpa.gnu.org.
>
> I did do some limited testing back then.  Maybe my tests were too
> limited or bitrot has caused the problems we're seeing.
> It shouldn't be too hard to fix.
>
>> Indeed, the development seems to have completely stalled.  See also:
>> 1. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/w3-dev/
>> 2. https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/w3.git
>
> I moved it to GNU ELPA in order to keep it on life-support.

Sorry for the late reply.

Does the above mean that you object to removing w3 from ELPA?

As much as I appreciate the effort and general sentiment here, IMHO,
keeping it around indefinitely in a broken state is less than
satisfactory.

It would perhaps be better to remove it until and unless someone
actually carries out the expected life support.  Also consider that we
have limited resources and other important tasks to work on.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

Message #39 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 25394 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>,
 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error
 (void-variable w3--args)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:00:32 -0500

> Does the above mean that you object to removing w3 from ELPA?

I don't object to moving it out of GNU ELPA, but I'd like to keep it in
elpa.git.


        Stefan

Message #42 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>, 25394 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error
 (void-variable w3--args)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:58:14 +0100

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Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> Does the above mean that you object to removing w3 from ELPA?
>
> I don't object to moving it out of GNU ELPA, but I'd like to keep it in
> elpa.git.

Thanks.  I could not find any code in elpa.git relating to the
package, though?  "find -iname '*w3*'" gives me nothing.

Is the attached patch sufficient to remove it from GNU ELPA?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

[0001-Drop-the-w3-package.patch (text/x-diff, inline)]

From c60c9a76d7f6aa44d32471ebbee044d84850151c Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:55:13 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Drop the w3 package

* externals-list: Drop the w3 package.  It is unmaintained, and unfortunately
nonfunctional in its current state.  (Bug#25395)
---
 externals-list | 1 -
 1 file changed, 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/externals-list b/externals-list
index 2996b9e97..514c8b131 100644
--- a/externals-list
+++ b/externals-list
@@ -148,7 +148,6 @@
  ("tramp"		:external "https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/tramp.git/?h=elpa")
  ;;FIXME:("vlf"		:subtree ??)
  ("verilog-mode"        :core "lisp/progmodes/verilog-mode.el")
- ("w3"			:external nil)
  ("wcheck-mode"		:subtree "https://github.com/tlikonen/wcheck-mode.git")
  ("web-server"		:subtree "https://github.com/eschulte/emacs-web-server.git")
  ("webfeeder"		:external "https://gitlab.com/ambrevar/emacs-webfeeder.git")
-- 
2.20.1

Message #45 received at 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>, 25394 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 25395 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error
 (void-variable w3--args)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 09:24:45 -0500

> Is the attached patch sufficient to remove it from GNU ELPA?

I think so, yes,


        Stefan

Message #48 received at 25395-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 25394-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Steven Litvintchouk <sdlitvin <at> earthlink.net>,
 25395-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25395: 25.1; Emacs/W3 crashes on every url with elisp error
 (void-variable w3--args)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 19:30:07 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> Is the attached patch sufficient to remove it from GNU ELPA?
>
> I think so, yes,

Thank, now pushed.  I'm subsequently closing this bug report.

If anyone is interested in seeing w3 on ELPA, they should presumably get
it to run on a recent Emacs and then request its re-inclusion via the
usual channels.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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