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26.0.50; Document lock files

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From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 26.0.50; Document lock files
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:41:35 +0100

There is no documentation at all about the format used by lock file
names in either the Emacs or the Elisp manual: the indexes don't contain
an entry for .#, and neither manual documents the format.  Given that
these files are highly visible, I think their format should be
documented.


In GNU Emacs 26.0.50.36 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.8)
 of 2017-01-17 built on localhost
Repository revision: fd8196503247a4577a422475c6b8552b0ef4068e
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Message #8 received at 25469 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 25469 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25469: 26.0.50; Document lock files
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:04:07 +0200

> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:41:35 +0100
> 
> 
> There is no documentation at all about the format used by lock file
> names in either the Emacs or the Elisp manual: the indexes don't contain
> an entry for .#, and neither manual documents the format.  Given that
> these files are highly visible, I think their format should be
> documented.

I'm not sure I agree.  The format is an internal implementation
detail, and in fact we've changed it recently to solve an obscure bug.
Neither users nor Lisp programmers need to be aware of the format, and
if they are really curious, they can look in the C sources.

Message #11 received at 25469 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com, 25469 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#25469: 26.0.50; Document lock files
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:33:39 -0500

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  > I'm not sure I agree.  The format is an internal implementation
  > detail, and in fact we've changed it recently to solve an obscure bug.
  > Neither users nor Lisp programmers need to be aware of the format, and
  > if they are really curious, they can look in the C sources.

I agree.

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