GNU bug report logs - #56461
Make net/rlogin.el obsolete

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Package: emacs;

Reported by: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>

Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 14:06:02 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Tags: confirmed

Fixed in version 29.1

Done: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>

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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 07:05:38 -0700

Severity: wishlist

I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.

See this comment at the top of that file:

    ;; FIXME?
    ;; Maybe this file should be obsolete.
    ;; https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2013-02/msg00517.html
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.

Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>,
 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:42:41 +0200

>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> said:

    Lars> Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:
    >> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
    >> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
    >> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.

    Lars> Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted.

How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these
days, but we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.

Robert
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>,
 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:03:18 +0200

Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> writes:

> How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these
> days, but we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.

Obsoletion is a nice process -- it avoids breaking people's .emacs files
in the unlikely case they're using rlogin.el.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Message #17 received at 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, larsi <at> gnus.org, stefan <at> marxist.se, 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:35:38 +0300

> Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>,
>  56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:42:41 +0200
> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:34:31 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> said:
> 
>     Lars> Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:
>     >> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
>     >> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
>     >> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.
> 
>     Lars> Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted.
> 
> How about we just remove it? I know it defaults to using ssh these
> days, but we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.

We don't remove stuff before we obsolete it and let users adapt
themselves (or holler).
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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>,
 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 04:37:21 -0700

Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> writes:

> we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.

Does this hold also for e.g. (info "(tramp) Overview") ?
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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>,
 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 04:53:32 -0700

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.
>
> Does this hold also for e.g. (info "(tramp) Overview") ?

I've removed some references in commit 050252043f but there are more
references to remove if anyone wants to take a look.
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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:10:27 -0700

close 56461 29.1
thanks

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:
>
>> I guess net/rlogin.el should be obsoleted.  It has a pretty bad name (no
>> one uses rlogin these days) and seems to add nothing useful over
>> e.g. `M-x shell RET ssh <foo>'.
>
> Yes, I agree -- it should be obsoleted.

Thanks, now done in commit 512e1db7ba and cd5a8f9cc1.
bug marked as fixed in version 29.1, send any further explanations to 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> Request was from Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Mon, 11 Jul 2022 16:11:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.
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Message #33 received at 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>,
 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 56461 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#56461: Make net/rlogin.el obsolete
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:50:01 +0200

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

>> we just shouldnʼt mention the r* commands anywhere.
>
> Does this hold also for e.g. (info "(tramp) Overview") ?

Fixed there.

Best regards, Michael.
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