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`fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named

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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:52:11 -0500

Package: Emacs
Severity: minor
Version: 24.0.92

The frame parameter `fullscreen' is ill-named: I think that it should be
renamed to `maximized' with accepted values nil, `vertical',
`horizontal', `both', or `fullscreen'.


        Stefan




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Message #8 received at 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 18:29:19 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> The frame parameter `fullscreen' is ill-named: I think that it should be
> renamed to `maximized' with accepted values nil, `vertical',
> `horizontal', `both', or `fullscreen'.

I think that makes sense, but I'm not sure just how we would deprecate
something like that.  We could introduce a `maximized' parameter and use
it in preference of `fullscreen', and add some special code to issue a
(run-time?) deprecation warning...  but I'm not sure the effort (on our
part) and pain (for the users) would be worth it.

Anybody got any opinions here?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #11 received at 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 19:29:31 +0100

>> The frame parameter `fullscreen' is ill-named: I think that it should be
>> renamed to `maximized' with accepted values nil, `vertical',
>> `horizontal', `both', or `fullscreen'.
>
> I think that makes sense, but I'm not sure just how we would deprecate
> something like that.  We could introduce a `maximized' parameter and use
> it in preference of `fullscreen', and add some special code to issue a
> (run-time?) deprecation warning...  but I'm not sure the effort (on our
> part) and pain (for the users) would be worth it.
>
> Anybody got any opinions here?

'maximized' is a WM concept, usually has an API and pretty well defined
semantics there (show a title bar with the corresponding indicator, do
not show the outer borders, cover the entire working area) and has
little or nothing to do with the other values (except that they are
mutually exclusive).  So the proposed renaming would be misguided IMHO.

martin

Message #14 received at 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
Cc: 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Subject: Re: bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 14:59:26 -0500

>>> The frame parameter `fullscreen' is ill-named: I think that it should be
>>> renamed to `maximized' with accepted values nil, `vertical',
>>> `horizontal', `both', or `fullscreen'.
>>
>> I think that makes sense, but I'm not sure just how we would deprecate
>> something like that.  We could introduce a `maximized' parameter and use
>> it in preference of `fullscreen', and add some special code to issue a
>> (run-time?) deprecation warning...  but I'm not sure the effort (on our
>> part) and pain (for the users) would be worth it.
>>
>> Anybody got any opinions here?
>
> 'maximized' is a WM concept, usually has an API and pretty well defined

Right, WM now claimed "maximized" as their own term as well, indeed,
after doing the same for "fullscreen".  So if we want to change the
current misleading nomenclature and try to be futureproof we should use
a parameter name that sounds unlike any word a sane WM designer will
want to use for anything.

Maybe `use-of-screen-real-estate-status`?


        Stefan

Message #17 received at 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>, 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:38:39 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Right, WM now claimed "maximized" as their own term as well, indeed,
> after doing the same for "fullscreen".  So if we want to change the
> current misleading nomenclature and try to be futureproof we should use
> a parameter name that sounds unlike any word a sane WM designer will
> want to use for anything.
>
> Maybe `use-of-screen-real-estate-status`?

`embiggeningness'.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #20 received at 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>, 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:57:34 -0500

>> Right, WM now claimed "maximized" as their own term as well, indeed,
>> after doing the same for "fullscreen".  So if we want to change the
>> current misleading nomenclature and try to be futureproof we should use
>> a parameter name that sounds unlike any word a sane WM designer will
>> want to use for anything.
>>
>> Maybe `use-of-screen-real-estate-status`?
>
> `embiggeningness'.

You got my vote!


        Stefan

Message #23 received at 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>, 10670 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10670: `fullscreen' frame parameter ill-named
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 05:15:24 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> `embiggeningness'.
>
> You got my vote!

So think the conclusion here was that perhaps this is too much churn
(for Emacs and the users) to warrant the renaming, even if the current
name is less than optimal.  So I'm closing this bug report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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