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Full text available.Received: (at 10755) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 22:36:39 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 17:36:39 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59557 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1RuteQ-0003JK-PL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:36:39 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]:40315) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <chealer@HIDDEN>) id 1RuteO-0003J5-1U for 10755 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:36:36 -0500 Received: by qcsg13 with SMTP id g13so481333qcs.3 for <10755 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:35:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vHmUdzN+cZu9odQIpXzitBKHLJxUZzs51bd2bahexWY=; b=mRzllNKYMz1t5WE4lOU2DyRI373UgutqwxEylmOk/PXpZieKflueb7oMoToCPrJFrb LMGU+Qd+kw8FPCZmT3VzybIcBtcbSkcUZHNeS1m6lNCOvN+gF4wIJ9PYYOzMW/GVKLn4 izjELj2lLA9eRZeY/wvwAEP0fBbliiBYYtwzQ= Received: by 10.224.106.196 with SMTP id y4mr7323669qao.90.1328654132649; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (modemcable156.191-56-74.mc.videotron.ca. [74.56.191.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eb5sm93875qab.10.2012.02.07.14.35.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:35:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F31A72F.1030007@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:35:27 -0500 From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120104 Icedove/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 10755 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#10755: stat: Please add directive to display size on disk References: <4F31854B.5050702@HIDDEN> <4F318F94.5010202@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <4F318F94.5010202@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10755 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) On 2012-02-07 15:54, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 02/07/2012 12:10 PM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: >> Size on disk > We don't know it's a disk drive; it might be > any storage device that contain a file system. I agree. I see an advantage in using the term "Size on disk": it is well known from Windows ( http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/hh148159.aspx ). But indeed, it does not always apply. It could be mentioned in a parenthesis and/or in quotes nevertheless to facilitate search. > Perhaps a better shorthand string would be "Allocation"? > That's even shorter, and it conveys what's going on. Oh, good question. We currently have: > Size: 54 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 4096 If we want to display the allocated size too, "Size" for "real"(?) size becomes clearly ambiguous. How about having a line for size? Something like > Size Real: 54 Allocated: 4096
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[74.56.191.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c2sm31742012qao.15.2012.02.07.12.10.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:10:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F31854B.5050702@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:10:51 -0500 From: Filipus Klutiero <chealer@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120104 Icedove/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Subject: stat: Please add directive to display size on disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) The other day I tried figuring out how much disk space a small file took. I used stat, but I only realized today that stat does not provide that information directly, as explained by Eric Blake and Pádraig Brady in http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=10561 This information is provided indirectly by %b and %B. Multiplying the 2 should give the size on disk. Example: stat -c 'allocated-space=%B*%b apparent-size=%s' $file Currently, this information can be obtained from du: $ stat -c '%s' /etc/phpmyadmin/htpasswd.setup 54 chealer@vinci:~$ du -h /etc/phpmyadmin/htpasswd.setup 4,0K /etc/phpmyadmin/htpasswd.setup chealer@vinci:~$ However, it would be quite useful if stat could be used to display simultaneously a file's real size and size on disk. Eric Blake suggested this directive to be %S. For the description, he suggested: %S Allocated size (same as %b * %B) I would like to aim for clarity, as these various statistics can be confusing. I suggest to use the name "Size on disk". I also suggested the following: Size occupied when including slack space Size of the clusters occupied I suggest the following synthesis: Allocated size (space allocated on the storage device, same as %b * %B). This is the size of the allocated clusters, which includes slack space.
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