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23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q

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Message #5 received at submit <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane <at> imap.cc>
To: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:00:29 +0200

Hi,

when XEmacs is started with `--vanilla' or `-q', it displays an item
"Load init files" in the menu bar.  The name of the command in XEmacs
is `load-user-init-file'.

Maybe Emacs should do have something similar.  I'm not sure about
where to add it. Maybe a menu entry in the Options menu and a tool bar
button?

Bye, Reiner.
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Message #12 received at 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Reiner Steib <Reiner.Steib <at> gmx.de>
Subject: Re: bug#108: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files"
 after -q/-Q
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:54:14 +0200

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane <at> imap.cc> writes:

> when XEmacs is started with `--vanilla' or `-q', it displays an item
> "Load init files" in the menu bar.  The name of the command in XEmacs
> is `load-user-init-file'.
>
> Maybe Emacs should do have something similar.  I'm not sure about
> where to add it. Maybe a menu entry in the Options menu and a tool bar
> button?

Hm...  I'm not quite sure what the use case here is.  I mean, if you say
"-q" or "-Q", it's because you want an Emacs without any
customisations.  So why would you then load ~/.emacs?

Hm...  OK...  I could see that it could help with debugging the init
file, for instance.  You'd (setq debug-on-error t) or whatever and then
hit the load button.  But...  if you're doing that, you're probably
better off just `M-x eval-buffer' in ~/.emacs.

So I'm not sure.  Anybody got an opinion?

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Message #15 received at 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Reiner.Steib <at> gmx.de
Subject: Re: bug#108: 23.0.60;
 Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:23:47 +0300

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:54:14 +0200
> Cc: Reiner Steib <Reiner.Steib <at> gmx.de>
> 
> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane <at> imap.cc> writes:
> 
> > when XEmacs is started with `--vanilla' or `-q', it displays an item
> > "Load init files" in the menu bar.  The name of the command in XEmacs
> > is `load-user-init-file'.
> >
> > Maybe Emacs should do have something similar.  I'm not sure about
> > where to add it. Maybe a menu entry in the Options menu and a tool bar
> > button?
> 
> Hm...  I'm not quite sure what the use case here is.  I mean, if you say
> "-q" or "-Q", it's because you want an Emacs without any
> customisations.  So why would you then load ~/.emacs?
> 
> Hm...  OK...  I could see that it could help with debugging the init
> file, for instance.  You'd (setq debug-on-error t) or whatever and then
> hit the load button.  But...  if you're doing that, you're probably
> better off just `M-x eval-buffer' in ~/.emacs.
> 
> So I'm not sure.  Anybody got an opinion?

I can only contribute a caveat: loading (via 'load') of init files
from within a running Emacs session will not 100% reproduce what
happens when those init files are loaded during startup, so if the
purpose is to allow debugging those files, loading them from Emacs
might not recreate the problems one wants to debug.

OTOH, I thought we already have some means of debugging the init
files, no?

Message #18 received at 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 Reiner.Steib <at> gmx.de
Subject: Re: bug#108: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files"
 after -q/-Q
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:20:14 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> OTOH, I thought we already have some means of debugging the init
> files, no?

Such as --debug-init?

-- 
Basil

Message #21 received at 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
Cc: 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi <at> gnus.org, Reiner.Steib <at> gmx.de
Subject: Re: bug#108: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files"
 after -q/-Q
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 16:50:45 +0300

> From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,  108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
>   Reiner.Steib <at> gmx.de
> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:20:14 +0100
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > OTOH, I thought we already have some means of debugging the init
> > files, no?
> 
> Such as --debug-init?

Among others, yes.

Message #24 received at 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>, 108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Reiner.Steib <at> gmx.de
Subject: Re: bug#108: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files"
 after -q/-Q
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 16:14:45 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> > OTOH, I thought we already have some means of debugging the init
>> > files, no?
>> 
>> Such as --debug-init?
>
> Among others, yes.

I think the general consensus here is that this doesn't sound like a
very useful feature, so I'm closing this bug report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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