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> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 12123 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, yandros@HIDDEN, eggert@HIDDEN
> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 22:00:49 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> > Btw, even if these conditions _are_ true, I still don't see how can we
> > find /usr/libexec/emacs/VERSION/CONFIG/, /usr/share/emacs/VERSION/lisp/
> > using the fact that Emacs was invoked from /usr/bin/. Which part of
> > the code knows about VERSION and CONFIG part and looks for them? All I
> > see is that we look for lib-src and etc, but that's only good to detect
> > that we are being run from the build directory, not from where we are
> > installed. What am I missing?
>
> Well yes, that's the point of this report. No-one has implemented a
> relocatable Emacs installation for general POSIX platforms. Solving
> those problems is part of it. A relocatable Emacs would not be installed
> as you describe above, it would (I imagine) be installed similar to the
> way the NS build is, under a single top-level directory.
The example above is still under a single top-level directory, called
'/usr' (a.k.a. ${prefix}). Relocating just means changing ${prefix}
after Emacs was built.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Btw, even if these conditions _are_ true, I still don't see how can we
> find /usr/libexec/emacs/VERSION/CONFIG/, /usr/share/emacs/VERSION/lisp/
> using the fact that Emacs was invoked from /usr/bin/. Which part of
> the code knows about VERSION and CONFIG part and looks for them? All I
> see is that we look for lib-src and etc, but that's only good to detect
> that we are being run from the build directory, not from where we are
> installed. What am I missing?
Well yes, that's the point of this report. No-one has implemented a
relocatable Emacs installation for general POSIX platforms. Solving
those problems is part of it. A relocatable Emacs would not be installed
as you describe above, it would (I imagine) be installed similar to the
way the NS build is, under a single top-level directory.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#12123; Package emacs.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> > Then perhaps we could just borrow the ideas from progreloc.c.
>>
>> That sounds like more work than using the Gnulib module,
>> I expect.
>
> Not necessarily. progreloc.c is relatively short, and is really just
> a series of platform-dependent methods to find the absolute file name
> of the running program. The MS-Windows method used there is already
> being used in Emacs, and most of the infrastructure for relocating a
> directory is already in place.
I must be missing something, because AFAICS, invocation-directory has
already solved this problem. What cases are not already handled that are
relevant and need extra code adding from progreloc.c?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#12123; Package emacs.
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Full text available.Received: (at 12123) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2013 20:38:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 06 16:38:35 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37303 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1UOZsg-0003i4-I6 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 16:38:35 -0400 Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:44160) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <eggert@HIDDEN>) id 1UOZsf-0003hy-4i for 12123 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 16:38:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB49239E8106; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 13:35:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oYeXf+TlgjnJ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 13:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-71-189-154-249.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.189.154.249]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7023639E8100; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 13:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <516086FD.4000003@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 13:35:09 -0700 From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#12123: References: <probmtut73.fsf@HIDDEN> <1B611D1D-B0AB-4E06-A8C4-EF89E5093154@HIDDEN> <83txnkeumm.fsf@HIDDEN> <515FC500.1080609@HIDDEN> <83fvz4dq5l.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83fvz4dq5l.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12123 Cc: 12123 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, yandros@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) On 04/06/2013 01:22 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Then perhaps we could just borrow the ideas from progreloc.c. That sounds like more work than using the Gnulib module, I expect.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#12123; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#12123; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#12123; Package emacs.
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Full text available.Received: (at 12123) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Apr 2013 17:35:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 05 13:35:20 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35837 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1UOAXo-0004Ae-Fz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:35:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:54154) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1UOAXn-0004AY-Gm for 12123 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:35:19 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1UOAUc-0007me-Q9; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:32:02 -0400 From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> To: 12123 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#12123: References: <probmtut73.fsf@HIDDEN> <1B611D1D-B0AB-4E06-A8C4-EF89E5093154@HIDDEN> X-Spook: nuclear Ruby Ridge BATF Islam Abduganievich Karimov X-Ran: <ei"a[Sd=A}}>aW-JIdU`wDR-MuOBs:mrya}bVTg}ka*M}|L$Hw(>agS^Z\E`p1New>8^M X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:32:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1B611D1D-B0AB-4E06-A8C4-EF89E5093154@HIDDEN> (chad's message of "Fri, 5 Apr 2013 10:27:21 -0700") Message-ID: <vbbo9sg9yl.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12123 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -9.3 (---------) chad wrote: > Web searching suggests approaches for several specific platforms > (GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, macosx, and Windows) that might be > useful: > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1023306/finding-current-executables-path-without-proc-self-exe I don't think this is an issue. We've already got invocation-directory, which is probably good enough in 99.9+% of cases. Unless people do obscure things to hide the executable, in which case they just don't get to use a relocatable Emacs.
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Package: emacs
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Version: 24.1
A --with-ns build can be built as a "relocatable app bundle".
(In fact it defaults to this, unless you configure with
--disable-ns-self-contained.)
In this mode, the --prefix option to configure is ignored.
`make install' constructs a directory nextstep/Emacs.app with contents
like this:
Emacs # the executable
bin # directory with user executables
etc
info
leim
libexec # directory with internal executables
lisp
man
A non-ns build could have the same feature (except the "Emacs" should go
in the bin/ directory and have a standard name).
It needs a few changes to various Makefile.ins (see the ns_appbindir etc
portions), as well as functions analogous to ns_load_path,
ns_etc_directory, and ns_exec_path. For simplicity/consistency, these
should be renamed to eg reloc_load_path, etc. Then init_lread,
init_callproc_1, init_callproc should be changed accordingly.
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