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24.2.50; No `make help' target?

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Package: emacs; Severity: wishlist; Reported by: Bastien <bzg@HIDDEN>; dated Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:07:01 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.

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> (I've never tried to run `make help' for anything.)

Indeed, it's not a standard target, so it'll benefit from being
advertised in things like INSTALL.


        Stefan




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> sed -n 's/^\([a-z]*\):.*/\1/p' Makefile  # plus uniq...
> They are all pretty much standard targets, and documented at the top of
> the Makefile.

It's not always easy to find the doc corresponding to a given target, so
I think it would indeed be a good idea to make "make help" return some
useful info.
I also think it would be a valuable addition to the GNU coding standards.
Just like all commands should accept a "--help", it would make sense for
the main Makefile to do something useful with "make help".


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Bastien wrote:

> Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> I'm not optimistic that any more people will read this than read
>> INSTALL.BZR or the commentary in the Makefile.
>
> Fair enough.  My basic assumption is that users are used to run 
> `make help' when they are trying to understand what they do, but
> that may be wrong.

I think you should feel free to add such a target if you think it will
be useful to people. Don't let my pessimism discourage you! :)
(I've never tried to run `make help' for anything.)




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Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> writes:

> I'm not optimistic that any more people will read this than read
> INSTALL.BZR or the commentary in the Makefile.

Fair enough.  My basic assumption is that users are used to run 
`make help' when they are trying to understand what they do, but
that may be wrong.

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Bastien wrote:

> `make help' would display a one-line help about the various
> available targets:

sed -n 's/^\([a-z]*\):.*/\1/p' Makefile  # plus uniq...

They are all pretty much standard targets, and documented at the top of
the Makefile.

> Documenting `make extraclean' is not important IMO but documenting
> `make bootstrap' could be: there are often questions on emacs-devel
> which are answered by "You need to `make bootstrap'."

It is written in INSTALL.BZR...

> I guess `make help' could give a better exposure to this option?

I'm not optimistic that any more people will read this than read
INSTALL.BZR or the commentary in the Makefile.




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Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> writes:

> Bastien wrote:
>
>> `make help' and `make targets' don't exist in last rev.
>
> In general, Emacs has the standard GNU Makefile targets:
>
>   http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Standard-Targets.html
>
> Your proposed two are not in that list.
> Could you say what you want them to do?

My bad, I thought the `help' target was a GNU standard.

`make help' would display a one-line help about the various
available targets:

# make all	
# make install	
# make TAGS	
# make clean  (or  make mostlyclean)
# make distclean
# make maintainer-clean
# make extraclean
# make bootstrap

(Taken from INSTALL, not from the actual Makefile.)

If I'm not confused, the last two targets are not in the 
GNU standards (`bootstrap' and `extraclean').  

Documenting `make extraclean' is not important IMO but 
documenting `make bootstrap' could be: there are often
questions on emacs-devel which are answered by "You need 
to `make bootstrap'."

I guess `make help' could give a better exposure to this
option?

-- 
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Bastien wrote:

> `make help' and `make targets' don't exist in last rev.

In general, Emacs has the standard GNU Makefile targets:

  http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Standard-Targets.html

Your proposed two are not in that list.
Could you say what you want them to do?




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`make help' and `make targets' don't exist in last rev.

I think it would help.

In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10)
 of 2012-09-10 on myhost
Bzr revision: 109965 cyd@HIDDEN
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11201000
Important settings:
  value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

-- 
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