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24.2.50; Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages

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From: "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.2.50;
	Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:34:53 +0100

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acknowledgment at that address.

Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers
usually do not have translators for other languages.

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
starting from `emacs -Q':


Here a recipe to reproduce the symptom explained in
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2012-04/msg00014.html

1. Take the following minimal Emacs file:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
   ;; "source" of the problem
   (defadvice require (around require-around)
     "Leave a trace of packages being loaded."
     (let* ((feature (ad-get-arg 0)))
       (cond ((featurep feature)
              (message "(info) Requiring `%s'... already loaded" feature)
              (setq ad-return-value feature))
             (t
              (let ((my/time-start))
                (message "(info) Requiring `%s'..." feature)
                (setq my/time-start (float-time))
                ad-do-it
                (message "(info) Requiring `%s'... %s (loaded in %.2f s)"
                         feature
                         (locate-library (symbol-name feature))
                         (- (float-time) my/time-start)))))))

   (ad-activate 'require)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

2. Load the minimal Emacs.

3. Create a new file.

4. Apply org-mode on it (M-x org-mode). You see the information from the
   defadvice: every require'd package gets tracing info (from where, in how
   much time).

5. Create a headline with M-RET

6. Schedule a date from that item with `C-c C-s': the prompt for the date gets
   hidden (for something like 5 seconds) by the "require" message (though,
   that happened before displaying the prompt).

This is reproducible ever and ever, in the same session.

For the sake of clarity, please find a screencast of the problem:
   http://screencast.com/t/fmmkKf3CJ


If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
    `bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
c:/Program Files/Emacs-24.2/etc/DEBUG.


In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2012-10-22 on DANI-PC
Bzr revision: 110618 monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca-20121022132928-232zm0fecassmhfb
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
Configured using:
 `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags
 -I../../libs/libxpm-3.5.8/include -I../../libs/libxpm-3.5.8/src
 -I../../libs/libpng-1.4.10 -I../../libs/zlib-1.2.6
 -I../../libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -I../../libs/jpeg-6b-4/include
 -I../../libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include
 -I../../libs/libxml2-2.7.8-w32-bin/include/libxml2
 -I../../libs/gnutls-3.0.16/include
 -I../../libs/libiconv-1.14-2-mingw32-dev/include'

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
  locale-coding-system: cp1252
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Group

Minor modes in effect:
  diff-auto-refine-mode: t
  TeX-PDF-mode: t
  gnus-topic-mode: t
  auto-image-file-mode: t
  gnus-undo-mode: t
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  helm-match-plugin-mode: t
  recentf-mode: t
  global-auto-complete-mode: t
  pretty-control-l-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
C-s <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <up> <right> 
C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k 
C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k C-k 
C-x C-s <C-home> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> 
C-x h M-w <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> C-c 
n <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
G G v a u b a n <return> g <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> G G n i e s s e n <return> 
G G v a <return> <up> <down> C-u 2 0 0 0 <return> <up> 
<up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> 
<up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> 
<up> <up> <up> <prior> <prior> <prior> <prior> <prior> 
<prior> <prior> <prior> / a v a u n <return> / a v 
a u b <return> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> 
<up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> 
<down> <down> <return> C-u 4 0 0 0 / o / a <up> <return> 
<up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> 
<up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <down> 
<down> <down> <return> A T <down> <return> <up> <return> 
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <left> C-SPC <C-up> <right> 
C-c g r <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> N N q M-x r e p o 
r t - e m <tab> C-g M-x r e p o r t - e m <return>

Recent messages:
(info) +-> Requiring `gnus-group'... already loaded [2 times]
(info) +-> Requiring `sort'... already loaded

(info) +-> Requiring `helm-misc'... already loaded
Quit

(info) +-> Requiring `helm-misc'... already loaded
(info) +-> Requiring `sendmail'... already loaded
(info) +-> Requiring `message'... already loaded
(info) +-> Requiring `helm-misc'... already loaded

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emacs)

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sebastien Vauban

Message #8 received at 12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com>
Cc: 12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12833: 24.2.50;
	Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 15:14:07 -0500

> 6. Schedule a date from that item with `C-c C-s': the prompt for the
> date gets hidden (for something like 5 seconds) by the "require"
> message (though, that happened before displaying the prompt).

> This is reproducible ever and ever, in the same session.

It shouldn't be 5 seconds, but more like 2 seconds (or rather "whatever
time it takes to display the messages plus setup the minibuffer plus 2s").

IOW this is `minibuffer-message-timeout'.

What behavior would you like to see instead?


        Stefan

Message #11 received at 12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Sebastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com>,
	"12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#12833: 24.2.50;
	Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 23:06:08 +0100

Hello. 

4 dec 2012 kl. 21:14 skrev Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>:

>> 6. Schedule a date from that item with `C-c C-s': the prompt for the
>> date gets hidden (for something like 5 seconds) by the "require"
>> message (though, that happened before displaying the prompt).
> 
>> This is reproducible ever and ever, in the same session.
> 
> It shouldn't be 5 seconds, but more like 2 seconds (or rather "whatever
> time it takes to display the messages plus setup the minibuffer plus 2s").
> 
> IOW this is `minibuffer-message-timeout'.
> 
> What behavior would you like to see instead?

Not speaking for the op, but I would like that messages only went to *Messages* and was never shown in the minibuffer if there is a prompt there.

Semantic/CEDET is a pain to use because of this with its useless "parsing..." messages. 

     Jan D. 

Message #14 received at 12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com>
To: <re.H997XW1WDCB4C <at> spammotel.com>
Cc: 12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: **: Re: bug#12833: 24.2.50;
	Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 23:10:29 +0100

Hi Stefan,

Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Schedule a date from that item with `C-c C-s': the prompt for the date gets
>> hidden (for something like 5 seconds) by the "require" message (though,
>> that happened before displaying the prompt).
>
>> This is reproducible ever and ever, in the same session.
>
> It shouldn't be 5 seconds, but more like 2 seconds (or rather "whatever time
> it takes to display the messages plus setup the minibuffer plus 2s").
>
> IOW this is `minibuffer-message-timeout'.

Just checked that unknown var (for me): yep, equals 2. The true reality (now
that I'm chronometering it) is as well that the messages are more or less
displayed for 2 seconds -- but they seemed like 5 looong seconds.

> What behavior would you like to see instead?

IIUC, the require (of some package) is done before asking whatever question in
the minibuffer. So, for me, the same would apply as in other cases...

    If I do 2 requires in a row (package "A", then package "B"), the message
    telling I required the first one ("A") will certainly not be visible in
    the echo area, as immediately after, there is another message being
    displayed, saying that "B" just got required.

What does that change in case of interactive question?

    If I do 1 require before asking a question to the user, the message about
    that require should hardly be visible (if visible at all -- because
    actions happen so quickly). The question should use the space of the
    information message, point.

In the given example here above, things are happening in the function
`org-read-date':

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defun org-read-date (...)
  "Read a date..."
  (require 'parse-time)
  ...
  (read-string prompt default-input 'org-read-date-history timestr)
  ...)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

The require of `parse-time' does display a message in the minibuffer (echo
area, to be accurate). When executing `read-string', whatever displayed
message should disappear and be replaced by the prompt.

The prompt, IMO, should never be overridden by a reminiscent message.

Am I exposing clearly my point of view (be it shared or not)?

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sebastien Vauban

Message #17 received at 12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: WXHGMQZGWMUF <at> spammotel.com
Cc: 12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12833: 24.2.50;
	Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:41:34 -0500

> What does that change in case of interactive question?

>     If I do 1 require before asking a question to the user, the message about
>     that require should hardly be visible (if visible at all -- because
>     actions happen so quickly).  The question should use the space of the
>     information message, point.

I see, yes, that would make sense.


        Stefan

Message #20 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com>
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12833: 24.2.50;
	Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:14:08 -0500

>>> What does that change in case of interactive question?
>>> If I do 1 require before asking a question to the user, the message about
>>> that require should hardly be visible (if visible at all -- because
>>> actions happen so quickly).  The question should use the space of the
>>> information message, point.
>> I see, yes, that would make sense.
> Does that mean it will be fixed that way?

No, it just means that I'd accept such a change.  But I don't have time
to come up with a patch for it in the foreseeable future.

> BTW, I tested a workaround in the meanwhile: let-binding
> `minibuffer-message-timeout' to 0.

I think you'd need to let-bind it around the code that brings up
the minibuffer.


        Stefan

Message #23 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com>
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12833: 24.2.50;
	Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:01:23 -0500

> IIUC, in the examplified case, you mean to let-bind it in defun
> `org-read-date'?

That's one option, yes, tho doing it lower down the stack might help
make it work in more places.  E.g. you can try advising read-from-minibuffer.

> All those packages (`org.el', `help-fns.el', etc.) are out of my
> responsability area. I can't patch them all, can I?

These are just workarounds.  A real fix would need to be somewhere
probably in the C code, maybe in read-from-minibuffer.


        Stefan

Message #26 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com>
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12833: 24.2.50;
	Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:50:58 -0500

> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>   (defadvice read-from-minibuffer (around read-around)
>     "Read ... ."
>     (let* ((minibuffer-message-timeout 0))
>       ad-do-it))

>   (ad-activate 'read-from-minibuffer)
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Maybe a more radical

  (defadvice read-from-minibuffer (before crush-message activate)
    (message nil))

will do


        Stefan

Message #29 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com>
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12833: 24.2.50;
	Avoid questions asked in the echo area to be overridden by messages
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:06:08 -0500

>> (defadvice read-from-minibuffer (before crush-message activate)
>>   (message nil))
> Thanks for the tip!  However, no, it did not change anything...

My guess is that the advice is not run, then.  Probably because the
minibuffer is setup via completing-read which is coded in C and calls
Fread_from_minibuffer directly, thus bypassing advice.

You can try adding

   (defadvice completing-read (before crush-message activate)
     (message nil))

[ tho Fcompleting_read is also called a few times from the C code, so
  that advice will also be bypassed in various occasions.  ]


        Stefan

Message #32 received at 12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: "Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com>
Cc: 12833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12833: 24.2.50; Avoid questions asked in the echo area to
 be overridden by messages
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:14:36 +0200

"Sebastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf <at> spammotel.com> writes:

> Here a recipe to reproduce the symptom explained in
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2012-04/msg00014.html

[...]

> 6. Schedule a date from that item with `C-c C-s': the prompt for the date gets
>    hidden (for something like 5 seconds) by the "require" message (though,
>    that happened before displaying the prompt).

I think this was fixed some months ago -- messages are appended to
prompts now (in Emacs 28, at least).  So I'm closing this bug report.
If there's still more to be done in this area, please respond to the
debbugs address and we'll reopen.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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