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Hi,  bug-coreutils@HIDDEN  -

Not quite a bug, but why does the same option, essentially, have two very
different names in the 'expand' and 'unexpand'  utilities?

This is confusing and hampers convenient usage.

I am referring to* --initial* in the one case and* --first-only* in the
other.

See below.

Or what am I missing?

Thanks.

Todd Shandelman
Houston, TX

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* expand --help*
Usage: expand [OPTION]... [FILE]...
Convert tabs in each FILE to spaces, writing to standard output.
With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read standard input.

Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too.
  -i, --initial       do not convert tabs after non blanks
  -t, --tabs=NUMBER   have tabs NUMBER characters apart, not 8
  -t, --tabs=LIST     use comma separated list of explicit tab positions
      --help     display this help and exit
      --version  output version information and exit

Report bugs to <bug-coreutils@HIDDEN>.

$ *unexpand --help*
Usage: unexpand [OPTION]... [FILE]...
Convert blanks in each FILE to tabs, writing to standard output.
With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read standard input.

Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short options too.
  -a, --all        convert all blanks, instead of just initial blanks
      --first-only convert only leading sequences of blanks (overrides -a)
  -t, --tabs=N     have tabs N characters apart instead of 8 (enables -a)
  -t, --tabs=LIST  use comma separated LIST of tab positions (enables -a)
      --help     display this help and exit
      --version  output version information and exit

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<div>Hi, =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:bug-coreutils@HIDDEN">bug-coreutils@HIDDEN=
rg</a> =C2=A0-</div><div><br></div>Not quite a bug, but why does the same o=
ption, essentially, have two very different names in the &#39;expand&#39; a=
nd &#39;unexpand&#39; =C2=A0utilities?<div>
<br></div><div>This is confusing and hampers convenient usage.<br><div><br>=
<div>I am referring to<b> --initial</b> in the one case and<b> --first-only=
</b> in the other.<br><div><br></div><div>See below.</div><div><br><div>
Or what am I missing?<br><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Todd Shandelman</div><div>Houston, TX</div><div><div><br></div><div>####=
###########################################################################=
#############</div>
<div><br></div><div><div><b>=C2=A0expand --help</b></div><div>Usage: expand=
 [OPTION]... [FILE]...</div><div>Convert tabs in each FILE to spaces, writi=
ng to standard output.</div><div>With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read stan=
dard input.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for s=
hort options too.</div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,51)=
">=C2=A0 -i, --initial =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 do not convert tabs after non b=
lanks</span></div>
<div>=C2=A0 -t, --tabs=3DNUMBER =C2=A0 have tabs NUMBER characters apart, n=
ot 8</div><div>=C2=A0 -t, --tabs=3DLIST =C2=A0 =C2=A0 use comma separated l=
ist of explicit tab positions</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --help =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 display this help and exit</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --version =
=C2=A0output version information and exit</div>
<div><br></div><div>Report bugs to &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bug-coreutils@gnu.=
org">bug-coreutils@HIDDEN</a>&gt;.</div><div><br></div><div>$ <b>unexpand =
--help</b></div><div>Usage: unexpand [OPTION]... [FILE]...</div><div>Conver=
t blanks in each FILE to tabs, writing to standard output.</div>
<div>With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read standard input.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Mandatory arguments to long options are mandatory for short option=
s too.</div><div>=C2=A0 -a, --all =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0convert all bl=
anks, instead of just initial blanks</div>
<div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,51)">=
--first-only convert only leading sequences of blanks (overrides -a)</span>=
</div><div>=C2=A0 -t, --tabs=3DN =C2=A0 =C2=A0 have tabs N characters apart=
 instead of 8 (enables -a)</div>
<div>=C2=A0 -t, --tabs=3DLIST =C2=A0use comma separated LIST of tab positio=
ns (enables -a)</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --help =C2=A0 =C2=A0 display=
 this help and exit</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --version =C2=A0output v=
ersion information and exit</div><div><br></div><div>
Report bugs to &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bug-coreutils@HIDDEN">bug-coreutils@g=
nu.org</a>&gt;.</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>=
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On 12/07/2012 08:23 PM, Todd Shandelman wrote:
> Hi,  bug-coreutils@HIDDEN  -
>
> Not quite a bug, but why does the same option, essentially, have two ve=
ry
> different names in the 'expand' and 'unexpand'  utilities?
>
> This is confusing and hampers convenient usage.
>
> I am referring to* --initial* in the one case and* --first-only* in the
> other.
>
> See below.
>
> Or what am I missing?

Yes that is inconsistent.
Interestingly the POSIX defined expand and unexpand are inconsistent
in relation to this to start with.

unexpand only processes leading blanks by default, but
expand processes all blanks by default.

So unexpand needs the -a option to process all blanks,
and expand needs the -i, --initial option to process only leading blanks.

Given the above you might think that the --first-only option to unexpand
is redundant.  However -a is implied by -t (as per POSIX), therefore
to really limit to initial blanks, you need this option.

So as for naming.  I agree that --first-only is inconsistent.
It's also a bit ambiguous. Does it mean only the first tab is written,
or all leading blanks are processed.  Now deprecating --first-only
for the more consistent --initial has some cost.  For example
it would break part of my FSlint program:
http://code.google.com/p/fslint/source/browse/trunk/fslint/supprt/rmlint/=
fix_ws.sh
Also, I see busybox copied --first-only into its unexpand implementation.
But I guess to be forward looking --first-only should be deprecated
in favor of --initial?

thanks,
P=C3=A1draig.

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severity 13120 wishlist
retitle 13120 expand/unexpand: streamline first-only/initial options

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