Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2024 08:49:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 12 03:49:11 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34861 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rODDz-0002hv-1k for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 03:49:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52064) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rODDu-0002hM-6q for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 03:49:09 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rODDp-0004fG-Hs; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 03:49:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=lUmQ90QcM6/BL+6RZVrl9k2ncBWj1O5jwmrA/bg1lpU=; b=KzUo0wX46O5z jChaLFC98u3J+Os48l1KUOPvEenqTS/CP5XiPuJgRUnHmtctESqYGAjaNRfhMXbFXtp9+NZPBqIFl tR0u0R0jaG4Z1ef0gMqu1HkHuNiIYlCPiNYAGFHl+nCSUD2zHVNasrcYPl+a3e98C/7Tc0opy5KBf jnIAEnXT7f85hx4NlRJtb5Has/4YNZs6bhjbSKIYFDafk4BBaV1sgNd4OZhDXN9fTH3DzJda5NXNX Sixp3EQ6nm1eSl3+DI4gFpVqkMpt4hQXOVwoGukK3YBpyUlxVxRgEadlx1FlePvF7rsWygeWpNnXL MjbjtgZOPE3YDSeijKPEhw==; Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 10:48:47 +0200 Message-Id: <83cyu7j5sg.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <865xzzm4bw.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:42:03 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <864jflmlmp.fsf@HIDDEN> <de3edfb0-4210-4a8c-a6fb-bb31ab220022@HIDDEN> <865xzzm4bw.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: rudalics@HIDDEN, 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 09:42:03 +0200 > > Eli, do you agree to install the following patch in the emacs-29 branch? Yes, documentation improvements, including better indexing, are always welcome on the release branch. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer
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>> Now that we have new key prefixes: 'C-x x' for buffer commands, and
>> 'C-x w' for window commands, probably the most suitable key would be
>> 'C-x w q' for 'quit-window'.
>
> I think it can't harm to use that.
Ok, then I'm going to install this patch in master:
diff --git a/lisp/window.el b/lisp/window.el
index 5c3e68f04eb..f097a027892 100644
--- a/lisp/window.el
+++ b/lisp/window.el
@@ -10815,7 +10816,8 @@ window-prefix-map
"^ f" #'tear-off-window
"^ t" #'tab-window-detach
"-" #'fit-window-to-buffer
- "0" #'delete-windows-on)
+ "0" #'delete-windows-on
+ "q" #'quit-window)
(define-key ctl-x-map "w" window-prefix-map)
I can't find the global quit-window in the Emacs manual
to document a new keybinding. But I found that many 'C-x x'
keybindings are not yet documented.
Eli, do you agree to install the following patch in the emacs-29 branch?
diff --git a/doc/emacs/buffers.texi b/doc/emacs/buffers.texi
index 8b093078edd..80e552fa46a 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/buffers.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/buffers.texi
@@ -262,12 +262,14 @@ Misc Buffer
non-@code{nil} value, making the buffer read-only with @kbd{C-x C-q}
also enables View mode in the buffer (@pxref{View Mode}).
+@kindex C-x x r
@findex rename-buffer
@kbd{C-x x r} (@code{rename-buffer} changes the name of the current
buffer. You specify the new name as a minibuffer argument; there is
no default. If you specify a name that is in use for some other
buffer, an error happens and no renaming is done.
+@kindex C-x x u
@findex rename-uniquely
@kbd{C-x x u} (@code{rename-uniquely}) renames the current buffer to
a similar name with a numeric suffix added to make it both different
@@ -282,6 +284,7 @@ Misc Buffer
buffer before using the command again, otherwise it will reuse the
current buffer despite the name change.)
+@kindex C-x x i
The commands @kbd{M-x append-to-buffer} and @kbd{C-x x i}
(@code{insert-buffer}) can also be used to copy text from one buffer
to another. @xref{Accumulating Text}.
diff --git a/doc/emacs/display.texi b/doc/emacs/display.texi
index e6a43bf74a8..6db9e8344c6 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/display.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/display.texi
@@ -1986,6 +1986,7 @@ Line Truncation
terminals, this is indicated with @samp{$} signs in the rightmost
and/or leftmost columns.
+@kindex C-x x t
@vindex truncate-lines
@findex toggle-truncate-lines
Horizontal scrolling automatically causes line truncation
diff --git a/doc/emacs/files.texi b/doc/emacs/files.texi
index 9c5305acf60..b152b7943a2 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/files.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/files.texi
@@ -1061,6 +1061,7 @@ Reverting
is not modified. (If you have edited the text, it would be wrong to
discard your changes.)
+@kindex C-x x g
@vindex revert-buffer-quick-short-answers
@findex revert-buffer-quick
The @kbd{C-x x g} keystroke is bound to the
diff --git a/doc/emacs/windows.texi b/doc/emacs/windows.texi
index f1f7a5b4b86..935004edad3 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/windows.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/windows.texi
@@ -287,7 +287,7 @@ Change Window
Delete the selected window and kill the buffer that was showing in it
(@code{kill-buffer-and-window}). The last character in this key
sequence is a zero.
-@item M-x delete-windows-on @key{RET} @var{buffer} @key{RET}
+@item C-x w d @key{RET} @var{buffer} @key{RET}
Delete windows showing the specified @var{buffer}.
@item C-x ^
Make selected window taller (@code{enlarge-window}).
diff --git a/doc/misc/info.texi b/doc/misc/info.texi
index 31b314cb9a0..01c7f614e7d 100644
--- a/doc/misc/info.texi
+++ b/doc/misc/info.texi
@@ -1148,6 +1148,7 @@ Create Info buffer
@section @kbd{M-n} creates a new independent Info buffer in Emacs
@kindex M-n @r{(Info mode)}
+@kindex C-x x n
@findex clone-buffer
@cindex multiple Info buffers
If you are reading Info in Emacs, you can select a new independent
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2024 17:21:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 10 12:21:43 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42714 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rNcGt-0004sO-5r for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:21:43 -0500 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:35097) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1rNcGr-0004rx-2n for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:21:41 -0500 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E66B240002; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:21:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order In-Reply-To: <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:25:19 +0100") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 19:03:50 +0200 Message-ID: <864jflmlmp.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) >>> Why do you never quit the *Messages* buffer in your scenario? >> >> I can't quit the *Messages* buffer. Typing `q' inserts the character >> `q' to the *Messages* buffer. But it's good that *Messages* is writable. >> The same problem can occur with any other writable buffer. > > You can always do M-x quit-window. Isn't there some C-x binding we > could use for this? Now that we have new key prefixes: 'C-x x' for buffer commands, and 'C-x w' for window commands, probably the most suitable key would be 'C-x w q' for 'quit-window'.
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2024 17:21:41 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 10 12:21:41 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rNcGq-0004s8-Ty for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:21:41 -0500 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:59503) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1rNcGo-0004rr-Jk for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:21:39 -0500 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7EB91FF803; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:21:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=7h4PKMR4tvwiUyDDSXk0eRtfaK3pUCRz9WKSEhFqoeg@HIDDEN> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 10 Jan 2024 03:26:04 -0800") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=7h4PKMR4tvwiUyDDSXk0eRtfaK3pUCRz9WKSEhFqoeg@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 19:01:25 +0200 Message-ID: <86edepmlqq.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) >> 10. C-x left >> 11. q >> >> And again `*Messages*' instead of the expected *scratch*. >> >> So the question is why `*Messages*' gets in the way >> in the list of previous buffers. > > Ten years later, is still an issue on a modern version of Emacs? Yes, and now some users of the tab-line complain about the same issue too. So we need to add a new option to switch to the alternative behavior.
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C-h C-n visits NEWS > 3. C-x d RET visits Dired in the directory `etc' > 4. v visits first file in the directory `etc' > 5. q > 6. q > 7. q > > Every subsequent `q' restores the previous buffer. > This is correct. > > But when this sequence is interspersed with seemingly idempotent > `C-x right C-x left', the buffer order becomes broken: > > 1. emacs -Q > 2. C-h C-n > 3. C-x d RET > 4. v > 5. C-x right (or C-h e for the same effect) > 6. C-x left > 7. q > > Then `q' displays the buffer `*Messages*' instead of the expected > previous Dired buffer `etc'. Typing `C-x left' displays it, > but then another `q' displays the buffer `*Messages*' again. > > 8. C-x left > 9. q > > Again `*Messages*' instead of the expected NEWS. > > 10. C-x left > 11. q > > And again `*Messages*' instead of the expected *scratch*. > > So the question is why `*Messages*' gets in the way > in the list of previous buffers. Ten years later, is still an issue on a modern version of Emacs?
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2012 14:04:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 23 09:04:03 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56307 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1Tmm9r-0006Pu-A9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:04:03 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:61137) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1Tmm9o-0006PU-HK for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:04:02 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.1]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lb72N-1TOSsh2lGT-00kg6i for <13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:03:34 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Dec 2012 14:03:34 -0000 Received: from 62-47-62-46.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.62.46]) [62.47.62.46] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 23 Dec 2012 15:03:34 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+bj40/DZGbK4Pye+6k+YXSFNnseQshYUrfP/8Wl6 unT/zLwBpv/4RS Message-ID: <50D70F2D.9050000@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:03:25 +0100 From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CCBC3D.3010504@HIDDEN> <87txrmmzk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CE0EFD.3010505@HIDDEN> <87a9tdyqak.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fw35vvzf.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CF205A.50004@HIDDEN> <8738yy77gx.fsf@HIDDEN> <50D5D4C4.9090404@HIDDEN> <87pq21drau.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87pq21drau.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > I don't see something analogous in browsers too, but in Emacs > for frame-local buffer lists, burying implies a ring structure > (a circular list) where popping the first buffer from the top of > the ring pushes it to the bottom. It seems that reported problems are > caused by the fact that window-local buffers don't form a circular ring. A circular ring doesn't work here. When I create a new window I have to feed `switch-to-prev-buffer' and `switch-to-next-buffer' with the buffers from the frame's and/or the global buffer list. That's what users expect from the old behavior which IIRC used `other-buffer' for this purpose. And I have to continue to do that whenever I'm at the end of the lists of a window's previous and next buffers. > Firefox's TabMixPlus provides 6 options to focus > after closing the current tab: > > 1. First tab > 2. Left tab > 3. Right tab > 4. Last tab > 5. Opener/right tab > 6. Last opened tab > > Currently `q' in Emacs performs the option 3 "Right tab" that means > to restore the last buffer in the list of previous buffer (or maybe it's > the option 6 "Last opened tab"?). I think it's 6 which is the only navigation-sensitive option. All other options remember only the creation time of tabs and disregard navigation. > But I believe that more useful would be > the option 5 "Opener/right tab" where Opener means the buffer that > initially displayed the current buffer, so `q' should restore it. > If you disagree then maybe this should be configurable in Emacs? This might be a good idea. BTW I'm using option 5 on Firefox and at least 20 times a day I'm profoundly unhappy with it. I already wonder whether the behavior I'd prefer is "Opener/Last opened tab". But it's not easy to compare Firefox tabs to our windows' buffer lists. In particular when you open links in the background like me. martin
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2012 10:02:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 23 05:02:13 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56196 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TmiNp-0007I9-9C for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:02:13 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:42023 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TmiNn-0007I2-5L for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:02:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2F0451E1FE; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:01:45 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order Organization: JURTA References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CCBC3D.3010504@HIDDEN> <87txrmmzk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CE0EFD.3010505@HIDDEN> <87a9tdyqak.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fw35vvzf.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CF205A.50004@HIDDEN> <8738yy77gx.fsf@HIDDEN> <50D5D4C4.9090404@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:49:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <50D5D4C4.9090404@HIDDEN> (martin rudalics's message of "Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:41:56 +0100") Message-ID: <87pq21drau.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > The concept of burying does not exist with browsers, IIUC. I don't see something analogous in browsers too, but in Emacs for frame-local buffer lists, burying implies a ring structure (a circular list) where popping the first buffer from the top of the ring pushes it to the bottom. It seems that reported problems are caused by the fact that window-local buffers don't form a circular ring. > And from my personal experience I can tell that making > Firefox's TabMixPlus always do what I mean in a specific > context is virtually impossible. Firefox's TabMixPlus provides 6 options to focus after closing the current tab: 1. First tab 2. Left tab 3. Right tab 4. Last tab 5. Opener/right tab 6. Last opened tab Currently `q' in Emacs performs the option 3 "Right tab" that means to restore the last buffer in the list of previous buffer (or maybe it's the option 6 "Last opened tab"?). But I believe that more useful would be the option 5 "Opener/right tab" where Opener means the buffer that initially displayed the current buffer, so `q' should restore it. If you disagree then maybe this should be configurable in Emacs?
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2012 15:42:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 22 10:42:31 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55656 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TmRDa-0003zA-EJ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:42:30 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:51856) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1TmRDU-0003yw-8B for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:42:26 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.69]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MLDZP-1TmAEE3N33-000JPe for <13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:42:03 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Dec 2012 15:42:03 -0000 Received: from 62-47-46-229.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.46.229]) [62.47.46.229] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 22 Dec 2012 16:42:03 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+XITAeZq+XPcyZu8Wuc6c+yQPx5mm/xrLKv2t3hQ 18xlfyCGJJmQZG Message-ID: <50D5D4C4.9090404@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:41:56 +0100 From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CCBC3D.3010504@HIDDEN> <87txrmmzk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CE0EFD.3010505@HIDDEN> <87a9tdyqak.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fw35vvzf.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CF205A.50004@HIDDEN> <8738yy77gx.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <8738yy77gx.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > As I see, the list of previous buffers is not empty, > but I don't know why it doesn't restore the *scratch* buffer. Yes, but all buffers on the list of previous buffers including *scratch* are on the list of next buffers too. So it takes a buffer from some global list :-( If we want to patch this in your sense, whenever all previous buffers are next we have to take the latest buffer on next instead IIUC. > As a general question, do you know a reason why structure and functionality > of window-local `prev-buffers' and `next-buffers' should differ from > frame-local frame parameters `buffer-list' and `buried-buffer-list'? > > I have a feeling that adding the handling of window-local counterparts > `prev-buffers' and `next-buffers' to the same places in code that currently > handle frame-local buffer lists `buffer-list' and `buried-buffer-list' > could help to fix all these window-related buffer-order inconsistencies. The idea of the list of next buffers was to give the user a tool to undo overshooting navigation of the list of previous buffers. That is, when I try to go back to a previous buffer and go too far, I can rescind that step by going to the next buffer. I don't know whether windows' buffer lists _should_ be different from `buffer-list' and `buried-buffer-list'. Intuitively, I'd agree that they shouldn't. For the moment suffice it to say that the global buffer lists are not updated after `set-window-buffer', hence they are not suitable for this kind of job. But if you have an idea how to uniquify these lists I'd be all ears. Finally note that I do not consider the current behavior inconsistent. The behavior of Emacs differs wrt browsers because it can switch to a previous buffer with and without burying the present one. The concept of burying does not exist with browsers, IIUC. The concept of showing some reasonably useful buffer instead of a killed one either. And from my personal experience I can tell that making Firefox's TabMixPlus always do what I mean in a specific context is virtually impossible. Maybe we should really try to implement these lists with the help of chronologially sortable Tabs and look at how the visual change after each of the relevant Emacs operation affects the order of these Tabs. martin
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2012 09:43:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 22 04:43:11 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55015 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TmLbr-0002in-Bo for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 04:43:11 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:46781 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TmLbn-0002id-0g for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 04:43:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2BDAAA49C7; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:42:45 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order Organization: JURTA References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CCBC3D.3010504@HIDDEN> <87txrmmzk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CE0EFD.3010505@HIDDEN> <87a9tdyqak.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fw35vvzf.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CF205A.50004@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:27:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <50CF205A.50004@HIDDEN> (martin rudalics's message of "Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:38:34 +0100") Message-ID: <8738yy77gx.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) >> 12. q the last q doesn't restore the initial buffer *scratch* > > Is the list of previous buffers empty in step 12 ? As I see, the list of previous buffers is not empty, but I don't know why it doesn't restore the *scratch* buffer. > Then we could heuristically show the last buffer added to the list of > next buffers here. Preferring a buffer which is not on any of this > window's lists doesn't make much sense in this case, I think. > > I guess that this scenario would also break the recipe you proposed > earlier, namely to keep next and previous buffers as lists built from > elements of the same type and not choose an element from the next > buffers when quitting. Yes, such change will break this scenario. As a general question, do you know a reason why structure and functionality of window-local `prev-buffers' and `next-buffers' should differ from frame-local frame parameters `buffer-list' and `buried-buffer-list'? I have a feeling that adding the handling of window-local counterparts `prev-buffers' and `next-buffers' to the same places in code that currently handle frame-local buffer lists `buffer-list' and `buried-buffer-list' could help to fix all these window-related buffer-order inconsistencies.
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 13:40:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 17 08:40:09 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46905 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TkavN-0008C4-C9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:40:08 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:62918) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1TkavI-0008Bc-Bq for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:40:03 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.33]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lds7x-1TJTgF2SDT-00ixz4 for <13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:38:44 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Dec 2012 13:38:44 -0000 Received: from 62-47-51-177.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.51.177]) [62.47.51.177] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 17 Dec 2012 14:38:44 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18TUnZWk34TtivZ0BoYIV4V11e4evhBaYGr6rbfEh oRmFeC1uaLSLgh Message-ID: <50CF205A.50004@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:38:34 +0100 From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CCBC3D.3010504@HIDDEN> <87txrmmzk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CE0EFD.3010505@HIDDEN> <87a9tdyqak.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fw35vvzf.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87fw35vvzf.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > There is one side-effect with overwrapping in next buffers. > When `C-x right C-x right' wraps to the first buffer *scratch*, > *scratch* is pushed to the list of next buffers. > > Then `C-x left C-x left' returns to the previous buffers, > typing `q' restores the right buffer, another `q' restores > another right buffer. But the last `q' doesn't restore > the buffer *scratch*. > > This is in the following scenario: > > 1. emacs -Q > 2. C-h C-n > 3. C-x d RET > 4. v > 5. C-x right displays the buffer *Messages* > 6. C-x right displays the buffer *scratch* > 7. C-x left > 8. C-x left > 9. q > 10. q > 11. q > 12. q the last q doesn't restore the initial buffer *scratch* Is the list of previous buffers empty in step 12 ? Then we could heuristically show the last buffer added to the list of next buffers here. Preferring a buffer which is not on any of this window's lists doesn't make much sense in this case, I think. I guess that this scenario would also break the recipe you proposed earlier, namely to keep next and previous buffers as lists built from elements of the same type and not choose an element from the next buffers when quitting. martin
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 10:08:10 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 17 05:08:10 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46603 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TkXcI-0002My-LS for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:08:10 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:60557 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TkXcG-0002Mr-EA for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:08:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2560451E191; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:06:52 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order Organization: JURTA References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CCBC3D.3010504@HIDDEN> <87txrmmzk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CE0EFD.3010505@HIDDEN> <87a9tdyqak.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:57:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87a9tdyqak.fsf@HIDDEN> (Juri Linkov's message of "Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:35:31 +0200") Message-ID: <87fw35vvzf.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > in `switch-to-prev-buffer' into > > (not (memq new-buffer next-buffers))) > > and it works as expected. Not sure about possible side-effects, > have to test this change more. There is one side-effect with overwrapping in next buffers. When `C-x right C-x right' wraps to the first buffer *scratch*, *scratch* is pushed to the list of next buffers. Then `C-x left C-x left' returns to the previous buffers, typing `q' restores the right buffer, another `q' restores another right buffer. But the last `q' doesn't restore the buffer *scratch*. This is in the following scenario: 1. emacs -Q 2. C-h C-n 3. C-x d RET 4. v 5. C-x right displays the buffer *Messages* 6. C-x right displays the buffer *scratch* 7. C-x left 8. C-x left 9. q 10. q 11. q 12. q the last q doesn't restore the initial buffer *scratch*
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 09:43:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 17 04:43:28 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46551 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TkXEN-0000sf-BD for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:43:28 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:50215 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TkXEJ-0000sO-51 for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:43:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265BD451E191; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:42:07 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order Organization: JURTA References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CCBC3D.3010504@HIDDEN> <87txrmmzk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CE0EFD.3010505@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:35:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <50CE0EFD.3010505@HIDDEN> (martin rudalics's message of "Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:12:13 +0100") Message-ID: <87a9tdyqak.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) >> I believe C-x right and C-x left should be special to not affect the >> logic of "try taking the buffer that has been shown in that window >> before the present one". > > I'm not sure what this means to do instead. Have `quit-window' not show > a buffer if it appears on `window-next-buffers'? Thanks, this sounds right. > What happens if you turn the form > > (or bury-or-kill (not (memq buffer next-buffers)))) > > in `switch-to-prev-buffer' into > > (not (memq buffer next-buffers))) I tried to do this but with no effect. Then I also turned (or bury-or-kill (not (memq new-buffer next-buffers)))) in `switch-to-prev-buffer' into (not (memq new-buffer next-buffers))) and it works as expected. Not sure about possible side-effects, have to test this change more.
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2012 18:13:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 16 13:13:35 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45603 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TkIiV-0003kU-5g for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:13:35 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:55694) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1TkIiT-0003kN-PQ for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:13:34 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.70]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LhQlC-1TOUYI2Qt6-00mYf4 for <13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:12:22 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Dec 2012 18:12:22 -0000 Received: from 62-47-44-83.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.44.83]) [62.47.44.83] by mail.gmx.net (mp070) with SMTP; 16 Dec 2012 19:12:22 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+r1UxPHS+rcVXhddSeTNMygjiCuhfL7wDwRZoPCu kIZ0qViZJwc+HP Message-ID: <50CE0EFD.3010505@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:12:13 +0100 From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CCBC3D.3010504@HIDDEN> <87txrmmzk5.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87txrmmzk5.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) > I think that C-x right and C-x left should behave like the "Next" and > "Prev" buttons in a browser where clicking the "Next" button adds the > current page to the list of previous pages, removes the first page from > the list of next pages and displays it. Clicking the "Prev" button adds > the current page to the list of next pages, removes the first page from > the list of previous pages and displays it. Virtually, that's what the code does. > It's disturbing that such unobtrusive action can mislead quit-window > to restore a buffer that was only temporarily shown in that window > with C-x right C-x left. But the buffer shown via C-x right might have been shown there for quite some while. > I believe C-x right and C-x left should be > special to not affect the logic of "try taking the buffer that has been > shown in that window before the present one". I'm not sure what this means to do instead. Have `quit-window' not show a buffer if it appears on `window-next-buffers'? What happens if you turn the form (or bury-or-kill (not (memq buffer next-buffers)))) in `switch-to-prev-buffer' into (not (memq buffer next-buffers))) I have no idea what else this could affect, though. martin
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2012 18:08:10 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 15 13:08:10 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44344 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1Tjw9h-00031p-Sk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:08:10 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:56558) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1Tjw9e-00031h-9X for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:08:07 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.20]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MaXIN-1TQTRl3SOX-00KAZD for <13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:07:00 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Dec 2012 18:07:00 -0000 Received: from 62-47-49-60.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.49.60]) [62.47.49.60] by mail.gmx.net (mp020) with SMTP; 15 Dec 2012 19:07:00 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX187exAS8zM7D0SgxNEymdOwpGxeLtBjyXY9vjxA0I sRl2A+r074bKjY Message-ID: <50CCBC3D.3010504@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:06:53 +0100 From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) > A good C-x binding for quit-window is `C-x q'. Its current command > does nothing normally and already has an alternative keybinding > `C-x C-k q' while recording a macro. It's easy to convince me ... >> this loop finds a buffer to switch to, it retrieves the start and point >> positions from the buffer's association in the window's _previous_ >> buffers. I didn't want to maintain the same markers twice. > > To not maintain the same markers twice, `C-x left' could add the > current buffer with markers only once to the list of next buffers, > but not to the list of previous buffers. Do I miss something > why this won't work? If we did that, we'd probably get rid of the behavior you started this thread with. But the current semantics is "when we have to replace a buffer in a window with another one, try taking the buffer that has been shown in that window before the present one". I'm not quite sure how to describe what you want to do instead. martin
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2012 11:10:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 15 06:10:37 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43367 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1Tjpdc-0000b3-DO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:10:37 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:50414 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1Tjpda-0000ar-0O for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:10:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A41451CBE4; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 03:09:29 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order Organization: JURTA References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:49:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <50CAFE8F.2060903@HIDDEN> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:25:19 +0100") Message-ID: <87bodv1t0j.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) >>> Why do you never quit the *Messages* buffer in your scenario? >> >> I can't quit the *Messages* buffer. Typing `q' inserts the character >> `q' to the *Messages* buffer. But it's good that *Messages* is writable. >> The same problem can occur with any other writable buffer. > > You can always do M-x quit-window. Isn't there some C-x binding we > could use for this? A good C-x binding for quit-window is `C-x q'. Its current command does nothing normally and already has an alternative keybinding `C-x C-k q' while recording a macro. > this loop finds a buffer to switch to, it retrieves the start and point > positions from the buffer's association in the window's _previous_ > buffers. I didn't want to maintain the same markers twice. To not maintain the same markers twice, `C-x left' could add the current buffer with markers only once to the list of next buffers, but not to the list of previous buffers. Do I miss something why this won't work?
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>> Why do you never quit the *Messages* buffer in your scenario?
>
> I can't quit the *Messages* buffer. Typing `q' inserts the character
> `q' to the *Messages* buffer. But it's good that *Messages* is writable.
> The same problem can occur with any other writable buffer.
You can always do M-x quit-window. Isn't there some C-x binding we
could use for this?
>> The semantics of C-x left and C-x right is that you want (or
>> at least don't mind) to switch back to the old buffer.
>
> Typing `C-x left' in the *Messages* buffer in the aforementioned scenario adds
> the *Messages* buffer to both (window-prev-buffers) and to (window-next-buffers).
> This looks doubtful. Is this intentional?
Yes. When in `switch-to-next-buffer'
(dolist (buffer next-buffers)
(when (and (or (buffer-live-p buffer)
(not (setq killed-buffers
(cons buffer killed-buffers))))
(not (eq buffer old-buffer))
(or (null pred) (funcall pred buffer))
(setq entry (assq buffer (window-prev-buffers window))))
(setq new-buffer buffer)
(set-window-buffer-start-and-point
window new-buffer (nth 1 entry) (nth 2 entry))
(throw 'found t)))
this loop finds a buffer to switch to, it retrieves the start and point
positions from the buffer's association in the window's _previous_
buffers. I didn't want to maintain the same markers twice.
> I thought that when a buffer is displayed for the first time
> (e.g. with `C-h C-n', or `v' in Dired mode), it sets up `quit-window',
> so `q' will be able to return to the buffer that initiated its display.
The dichotomy striking here is rooted in the history of `quit-window'
which was used (via "q") for getting rid of temporary, typically
read-only buffers, but also for generally getting rid of a window's
contents.
> I didn't expect that `C-x right C-x left' affects `quit-window'.
They both affect each other. If there's no explicit `quit-restore'
parameter, `quit-window' uses whatever `window-prev-buffers' provides.
And quitting a window should make its buffer move to the far ends of its
previous and next buffers.
martin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#13167; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2012 01:05:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 13 20:05:46 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TjJik-0004WB-Ga for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:05:46 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:54039 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TjJih-0004Vs-3e for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:05:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C0C451E1F3; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:04:46 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order Organization: JURTA References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:45:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> (martin rudalics's message of "Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:29:53 +0100") Message-ID: <8738z9ea1w.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) > Why do you never quit the *Messages* buffer in your scenario? I can't quit the *Messages* buffer. Typing `q' inserts the character `q' to the *Messages* buffer. But it's good that *Messages* is writable. The same problem can occur with any other writable buffer. > The semantics of C-x left and C-x right is that you want (or > at least don't mind) to switch back to the old buffer. Typing `C-x left' in the *Messages* buffer in the aforementioned scenario adds the *Messages* buffer to both (window-prev-buffers) and to (window-next-buffers). This looks doubtful. Is this intentional? > The semantics of `quit-window' is that you don't want to switch back > to the old buffer soon. I thought that when a buffer is displayed for the first time (e.g. with `C-h C-n', or `v' in Dired mode), it sets up `quit-window', so `q' will be able to return to the buffer that initiated its display. I didn't expect that `C-x right C-x left' affects `quit-window'.
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Full text available.Received: (at 13167) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2012 10:30:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 13 05:30:58 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1Tj649-0000ht-9P for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:30:58 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:51747) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1Tj645-0000hf-CV for 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:30:54 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2012 10:30:00 -0000 Received: from 62-47-56-185.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.56.185]) [62.47.56.185] by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2012 11:30:00 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Jo/o9J6oJ6yxd2a3DSpWyAJ0w7uYk0LeAGAObV5 MPDBppHOWrOtup Message-ID: <50C9AE21.40904@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:29:53 +0100 From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13167: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order References: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13167 Cc: 13167 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) > 1. emacs -Q > 2. C-h C-n > 3. C-x d RET > 4. v > 5. C-x right (or C-h e for the same effect) `next-buffer' picks a buffer that's not in the window's list of previous buffers. > 6. C-x left `previous-buffer' picks the buffer that was shown in the window before the current buffer. > 7. q > > Then `q' displays the buffer `*Messages*' instead of the expected > previous Dired buffer `etc'. This is from the doc-string of `quit-window': (3) restore the buffer previously displayed in WINDOW, which is *Messages*. > Typing `C-x left' displays it, > but then another `q' displays the buffer `*Messages*' again. > > 8. C-x left > 9. q > > Again `*Messages*' instead of the expected NEWS. Again according to the doc-string. > 10. C-x left > 11. q > > And again `*Messages*' instead of the expected *scratch*. > > So the question is why `*Messages*' gets in the way > in the list of previous buffers. Simply because it is the last buffer displayed in that window before the one you quit. That's how it was designed and I'm not sure whether we can do much better. Why do you never quit the *Messages* buffer in your scenario? The semantics of C-x left and C-x right is that you want (or at least don't mind) to switch back to the old buffer. The semantics of `quit-window' is that you don't want to switch back to the old buffer soon. martin
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2012 00:02:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 12 19:02:56 2012 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TiwGL-0007MS-44 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:02:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47504) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TiwGF-0007MI-Fs for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:02:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TiwFR-0005pM-HW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:01:58 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:39791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TiwFR-0005pH-Ef for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:01:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58866) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TiwFQ-00044y-Ha for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:01:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TiwFP-0005nk-C9 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:01:56 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:52219 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1TiwFP-0005nN-6H for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:01:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1678C451E1B6 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:01:52 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 24.3.50; C-x right C-x left interferes with buffer order Organization: JURTA Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:37:03 +0200 Message-ID: <878v92n7sg.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) There is something in quit-window and the buffer order that looks like a regression, but I'm not sure what. Please dismiss this bug report if there is nothing wrong. 1. emacs -Q 2. C-h C-n visits NEWS 3. C-x d RET visits Dired in the directory `etc' 4. v visits first file in the directory `etc' 5. q 6. q 7. q Every subsequent `q' restores the previous buffer. This is correct. But when this sequence is interspersed with seemingly idempotent `C-x right C-x left', the buffer order becomes broken: 1. emacs -Q 2. C-h C-n 3. C-x d RET 4. v 5. C-x right (or C-h e for the same effect) 6. C-x left 7. q Then `q' displays the buffer `*Messages*' instead of the expected previous Dired buffer `etc'. Typing `C-x left' displays it, but then another `q' displays the buffer `*Messages*' again. 8. C-x left 9. q Again `*Messages*' instead of the expected NEWS. 10. C-x left 11. q And again `*Messages*' instead of the expected *scratch*. So the question is why `*Messages*' gets in the way in the list of previous buffers.
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