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I have a shell buffer with a program sending lots of output.
That buffer is not currently displayed.  I type C-h, and it prompts.
So far, so good.

The bug is that the prompt changes repeatedly.  A space gets added at
the beginning and the hyphen disappears at the end.  Then the space
disappears and the hyphen reappears.  This oscillation continues
indefinitely at the rate of 3 or 4 changes per second.

In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (mips64el-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.12)
 of 2012-10-20 on chiefs-gnewsense
Bzr revision: 110610 rgm@HIDDEN
System Description:	gNewSense mipsel-l

Configured using:
 `configure 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g' '--with-gif=no' '--with-tiff=no''

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: RMAIL

Minor modes in effect:
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  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  gpm-mouse-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
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  line-number-mode: t
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Recent input:
o g r a m s SPC s u c h SPC a s SPC s i c DEL DEL o 
c i a l SPC s e c u r i t y , SPC c u t s SPC t h a 
t ESC d ESC q C-p C-p C-p C-p ESC ^ ESC b ESC b ESC 
b ESC b i m a g i n a r y SPC ESC f ESC f C-f C-b C-k 
C-n C-n C-a C-n C-n i s SPC ESC q C-n C-e SPC SPC O 
b a m a SPC i s SPC a SPC c e n t e r - r i g h t RET 
p o l i t i c i a n SPC t h a t SPC f a v o r s SPC 
ESC DEL ESC DEL a n d SPC f a v o r s SPC s u c h SPC 
c u t s ; SPC i f SPC h e SPC d i d n ' t , SPC h e 
SPC w o u l d SPC n o t SPC g o SPC a l o n g RET w 
i t h SPC t h e SPC p r e t e n s e . C-c C-c C-d x 
C-d C-d x C-d x C-x C-s C-x b * s c TAB DEL ESC DEL 
s h TAB RET C-x b RET SPC SPC ESC v SPC SPC C-d C-d 
C-d C-d x C-x C-s n SPC C-d C-d C-d SPC SPC C-d C-d 
x C-x C-s C-x b RET C-x b RET C-h C-h ESC x r e p o 
r t SPC e m a c s SPC b u g RET

Recent messages:
Saving file /home/rms/RMAIL...
Wrote /home/rms/RMAIL [2 times]
Expunging deleted messages...done
Saving file /home/rms/RMAIL...
Wrote /home/rms/RMAIL [2 times]
No following nondeleted message
Expunging deleted messages...done
Saving file /home/rms/RMAIL...
Wrote /home/rms/RMAIL [2 times]
Quit
Quit

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Subject: bug#13255: 24.2.50; output in nonvisible shell buffer changes prompt
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Richard Stallman wrote:

> I have a shell buffer with a program sending lots of output.
> That buffer is not currently displayed.  I type C-h, and it prompts.
> So far, so good.
>
> The bug is that the prompt changes repeatedly.  A space gets added at
> the beginning and the hyphen disappears at the end.  Then the space
> disappears and the hyphen reappears.  This oscillation continues
> indefinitely at the rate of 3 or 4 changes per second.

I don't see this. What I see (24.2.91) is:

emacs -Q -f shell

;; run this in shell buffer
while : ; do
 sleep 0.5
 echo hi
done

C-x b *scratch* RET
C-h

So long as the shell is looping, I get no C-h prompt at all.
If I interrupt the loop, I get the intended:

C-h (Type ? for further options)-

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:33:29 -0500 Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> wrote:

> Richard Stallman wrote:
>
>> I have a shell buffer with a program sending lots of output.
>> That buffer is not currently displayed.  I type C-h, and it prompts.
>> So far, so good.
>>
>> The bug is that the prompt changes repeatedly.  A space gets added at
>> the beginning and the hyphen disappears at the end.  Then the space
>> disappears and the hyphen reappears.  This oscillation continues
>> indefinitely at the rate of 3 or 4 changes per second.
>
> I don't see this. What I see (24.2.91) is:
>
> emacs -Q -f shell
>
> ;; run this in shell buffer
> while : ; do
>  sleep 0.5
>  echo hi
> done
>
> C-x b *scratch* RET
> C-h
>
> So long as the shell is looping, I get no C-h prompt at all.
> If I interrupt the loop, I get the intended:
>
> C-h (Type ? for further options)-


When I repeat Glenn's recipe in GNU Emacs 24.3.50.2
(x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.4.4) of 2012-12-23 on rosalinde,
revision 111308 jan.h.d@HIDDEN, I
also get no prompt on typing `C-h'; but if I uncheck "Blink Cursor" in
the Options menu and again type `C-h', then I see exactly what rms
reported.

Steve Berman

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Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@HIDDEN> writes:

>> emacs -Q -f shell
>>
>> ;; run this in shell buffer
>> while : ; do
>>  sleep 0.5
>>  echo hi
>> done
>>
>> C-x b *scratch* RET
>> C-h
>
> I also get no prompt on typing `C-h'; but if I uncheck "Blink Cursor"
> in the Options menu and again type `C-h', then I see exactly what rms
> reported.

I've made a commit to trunk which should fix this.

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On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:38:20 +0800 Chong Yidong <cyd@HIDDEN> wrote:

> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@HIDDEN> writes:
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>>> emacs -Q -f shell
>>>
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>>> while : ; do
>>>  sleep 0.5
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>>> done
>>>
>>> C-x b *scratch* RET
>>> C-h
>>
>> I also get no prompt on typing `C-h'; but if I uncheck "Blink Cursor"
>> in the Options menu and again type `C-h', then I see exactly what rms
>> reported.
>
> I've made a commit to trunk which should fix this.

I updated to trunk revno 111429 and confirm the oscillating dash/space
problem in the OP, which occurs when the blinking cursor is disabled, is
now fixed; thanks.  However, when the blinking cursor is enabled and the
above recipe is repeated, `C-h' is still not echoed (nor is any prefix
key).

Steve Berman

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>
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> done
>
> C-x b *scratch* RET
> C-h
>
> So long as the shell is looping, I get no C-h prompt at all.
> If I interrupt the loop, I get the intended:
>
> C-h (Type ? for further options)-

This problem is still present in Emacs 29 (whether blink-cursor-mode is
enabled or not (it was reported that switching it off would mitigate the
problem)).

So I guess process output makes the thing that displays `C-x -' (or `C-h
-') short-circuits a timeout somewhere?  Hm...  this sounds familiar; I
feel I've seen a discussion of this somewhere semi-recently.  Anybody
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