Received: (at 13355) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2013 20:52:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 13 15:52:12 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58698 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1TuUXM-0002vf-B7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:52:12 -0500 Received: from mail-ee0-f42.google.com ([74.125.83.42]:61708) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <stefano.lattarini@HIDDEN>) id 1TuUXJ-0002vR-Lh for 13355 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:52:10 -0500 Received: by mail-ee0-f42.google.com with SMTP id b47so1252123eek.1 for <13355 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:51:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Htqi3La614RvXCUjBEjWwWyIS3DrMe+sExE8ji9gqJ8=; b=a4logWFiiT8kb5tig/Qoe1uc9t1gzgG0XNhz8+oVFxIxVhqz46xiGBaQEGSzCP3BOP +P0XHh4N+kRpPxAPS8JzAQUr40vqCFo6FLxTlsGpN4NQu9Nl6iXyFTv3mbY/NEQTqWZ1 2vW80LfrwINZ8upvO6ZHfmglRIoqsKSqEWvqMcX1Hj4SKTQwzc485EOSxIGi9wJgyR2E jWThX/9beoF705w2WWUIKjaOPaudC/L4tctiQJGSn3k+WgZbQWLv+HWWD3MFPkWlMDQE REWYgxs9FTjJAY29NvtYIFQZIfPB/BuBn70SYKYBMb4/jJBNw8Y3ODusk1NQrQmdw7Cr IJug== X-Received: by 10.14.205.199 with SMTP id j47mr222841330eeo.26.1358110303909; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.21] (host137-94-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. [87.4.94.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w3sm18953652eel.17.2013.01.13.12.51.41 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:51:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F31E5B.6020403@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:51:39 +0100 From: Stefano Lattarini <stefano.lattarini@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 13355 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#13355: Deprecating and removing the 'mkinstalldir' script References: <50E6ABC1.5080701@HIDDEN> <50F1C912.5080508@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <50F1C912.5080508@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13355 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) On 01/12/2013 09:35 PM, Stefano Lattarini wrote: > On 01/04/2013 11:15 AM, Stefano Lattarini wrote: >> Severity: wishlist >> >> The 'mksintalldirs' script has been by long superseded by "install-sh -d", >> has already deprecated in the documentation, and already removed in >> Automake-NG. I'd like to remove it in future Automake versions. >> >> However, we must first find a viable way to non-fatally deprecate it >> with some form of runtime warning. >> > Here is a tentative roadmap: > > For Automake 1.13.x: > > - edit 'mkinstalldirs' print a non-fatal warning when invoked (keeping > its behaviour unchanged in every other aspect); this warning should > reference the use of "install-sh -d". > Actually, I'm no longer sure there is a point in mangling a working script with warnings of dubious usefulness. A warning at Automake runtime should be good enough. Speaking of which ... > - have automake print a warning in the 'obsolete' category when it > decides to distribute the 'mkinstalldirs' script only because it > is found in the AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR directory (but *not* if the user > distributes it explicitly, by listing it in EXTRA_DIST). > ... this is isn't the truly correct path to deprecation. A better and simpler one would be to warn only if 'mkinstalldirs' is *not* listen in an explicit AC_REQUIRE_AUX_FILE call (which is *the* correct and documented interface to require auxiliary scripts in Autotools-based projects). I'll try to cook up a patch along that line (it should be really easy and minimal at this point). > For Automake 1.14, or even 1.15: > > - turn both the warnings above into fatal errors. > Now, s/both the warnings/the warning/ of course. > For the next major version after that: > > - remove the mkinstalldir script from our Git repository altogether, > and drop any special handling of it from the automake script. > This stands. > This will allow anyone using older Automake versions to still be compatible > with 1.13.2, 1.14 and 1.15 by simply: > > - committing a copy of 'mkinstalldirs' in his repository; > This stands too. > - explicitly distributing it by having it listed in EXTRA_DIST. > Rather, 'mkinstalldirs' should just be given in a AC_REQUIRE_AUX_FILE invocation. This sounds more natural, and is the correct use of APIs. Regards, Stefano
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[87.4.94.137]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 46sm14315760eeg.4.2013.01.12.12.35.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:35:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F1C912.5080508@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:35:30 +0100 From: Stefano Lattarini <stefano.lattarini@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-automake@HIDDEN Subject: Re: Deprecating and removing the 'mkinstalldir' script References: <50E6ABC1.5080701@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <50E6ABC1.5080701@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) On 01/04/2013 11:15 AM, Stefano Lattarini wrote: > Severity: wishlist > > The 'mksintalldirs' script has been by long superseded by "install-sh -d", > has already deprecated in the documentation, and already removed in > Automake-NG. I'd like to remove it in future Automake versions. > > However, we must first find a viable way to non-fatally deprecate it > with some form of runtime warning. > Here is a tentative roadmap: For Automake 1.13.x: - edit 'mkinstalldirs' print a non-fatal warning when invoked (keeping its behaviour unchanged in every other aspect); this warning should reference the use of "install-sh -d". - have automake print a warning in the 'obsolete' category when it decides to distribute the 'mkinstalldirs' script only because it is found in the AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR directory (but *not* if the user distributes it explicitly, by listing it in EXTRA_DIST). For Automake 1.14, or even 1.15: - turn both the warnings above into fatal errors. For the next major version after that: - remove the mkinstalldir script from our Git repository altogether, and drop any special handling of it from the automake script. This will allow anyone using older Automake versions to still be compatible with 1.13.2, 1.14 and 1.15 by simply: - committing a copy of 'mkinstalldirs' in his repository; - explicitly distributing it by having it listed in EXTRA_DIST. This is quite low priority, so it might be some time before any actual patches materializes. Regards, Stefano
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