Received: (at 13649) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2013 09:42:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 11 04:42:09 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49850 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1U4pto-0000xs-RS for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:42:09 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:36322 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1U4ptm-0000xe-L9 for 13649 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:42:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5452D20199072F; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 01:41:45 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: jidanni@HIDDEN Subject: Re: bug#13649: boobytrapped dired-do-async-shell-command question Organization: JURTA References: <871ucokxcx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zjzcqjbr.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:18:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87zjzcqjbr.fsf@HIDDEN> (jidanni@HIDDEN's message of "Sun, 10 Feb 2013 23:28:40 +0800") Message-ID: <871ucnb449.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13649 Cc: 13649 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) >>>>>> "JL" == Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > JL> To see what was run in the buffer name is possible with `M-x list-processes'. > But ah ha ha ... only if the process is still running! The async process buffer could have a header/footer like in compilation: -*- mode: shell; default-directory: "~/" -*- Async Shell Command started at Mon Feb 11 11:15:45 command line output output output Async Shell Command finished at Mon Feb 11 11:15:48
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>> BTW, one more useful option would be "run it when the current command
>> finishes".
> IIUC, this will require adding a queue of postponed commands,
You could just add-function on the process-sentinel.
But as pointed out elsewhere, another option is to actually let both
processes run in the same buffer.
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> > Shell output buffer is used by another command; run this command in a new buffer (yes or no)?
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> I'd rather make the prompt short and add a "help" option
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> explanation of all options with a link to their customization.
That's a wrong way to treat this kind of problems, in my experience.
People need clear description of the problem because they more often
than not are nervous to be bugged with a question to begin with; the
assumption they will want to look up some help is false.
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> A command is running in the default buffer. What to do? (k/c/r/h)
> where the key `k' would mean to kill the running process, `c' - create
> a new buffer, `r' - rename the buffer with the running process, and
> `h' - help with the explanation of these options.
BTW, one more useful option would be "run it when the current command
finishes".
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Full text available.Received: (at 13649) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2013 01:09:18 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 08 20:09:18 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45015 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1U3ywP-0002Ue-0a for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:09:17 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:40930 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1U3ywK-0002UK-Lp for 13649 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:09:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBDC201D3F81D; Fri, 8 Feb 2013 17:09:05 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#13649: boobytrapped dired-do-async-shell-command question Organization: JURTA References: <871ucsjdl1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87liazyzz6.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvmwvealkx.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 02:49:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: <jwvmwvealkx.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 08 Feb 2013 10:11:38 -0500") Message-ID: <87sj569u4m.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13649 Cc: 13649 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) >>> A command is running in the default buffer. Use a new buffer? (yes or no) >>> Which is a boobytrapped question, as picking "no" will always end up >>> in failure... >> Ah, to you "no" means "don't use a new buffer"? Yes, this is too ambiguous. >> A better question would be: > >> A command is running in the default buffer. Run in a new buffer? >> (yes or no) > > I think it's got the same problem. I think the question should be more > something like: > > A command is running in the default buffer. Kill it or use a new buffer? > > with C-g being the answer for "don't use a new buffer and don't kill it". Alas, this means there is no more "yes/no" question. Of course, it could be split to two "yes/no" questions like `find-alternate-file' used to do until the recent changes that now asks only one question (yes-or-no-p "Kill and replace the buffer without saving it? ") I see no way to do the same for the async-shell-command default question. There is a separate option in `async-shell-command' that asks that question "A command is running in the default buffer. Kill it? ". If is also possible to combine all other options into one question like: A command is running in the default buffer. What to do? (k/c/r/h) where the key `k' would mean to kill the running process, `c' - create a new buffer, `r' - rename the buffer with the running process, and `h' - help with the explanation of these options.
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> I doubt that your minibuffer-only frames are only 1 line high.
And yet, they are.
> It's not like I suggested a 10,000-character prompt or something.
But indeed, they're longer than 80 columns (they're 250 columns long,
tho most of it is off the screen, actually displayed is probably closer
to 160).
Stefan
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> > The minibuffer is perfectly capable of displaying
> > multi-line prompts.
>
> Not mine, because it doesn't know how to grow a minibuffer-only frame.
I assume that your point is not to assume that users have a minibuffer that can
grow.
But just in case you are also interested in growing a standalone minibuffer, see
`1on1-fit-minibuffer' here:
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/download/oneonone.el
I add it to `post-command-hook':
(if (and 1on1-fit-minibuffer-frame-flag (require 'fit-frame nil t))
(add-hook 'post-command-hook '1on1-fit-minibuffer-frame)
(remove-hook 'post-command-hook '1on1-fit-minibuffer-frame))
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> The minibuffer is perfectly capable of displaying multi-line prompts.
Not mine, because it doesn't know how to grow a minibuffer-only frame.
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>> A command is running in the default buffer. Use a new buffer? (yes or no)
>> Which is a boobytrapped question, as picking "no" will always end up
>> in failure...
> Ah, to you "no" means "don't use a new buffer"? Yes, this is too ambiguous.
> A better question would be:
> A command is running in the default buffer. Run in a new buffer?
> (yes or no)
I think it's got the same problem. I think the question should be more
something like:
A command is running in the default buffer. Kill it or use a new buffer?
with C-g being the answer for "don't use a new buffer and don't kill it".
Stefan
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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
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Subject: Re: bug#13649: boobytrapped dired-do-async-shell-command question
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> & runs the command dired-do-async-shell-command, which is an
> interactive autoloaded compiled Lisp function in `dired-aux.el'.
> It sometimes will ask
> A command is running in the default buffer. Use a new buffer? (yes or no)
> Which is a boobytrapped question, as picking "no" will always end up
> in failure...
> So perhaps rewrite it so one knows there is only one good choice if one
> wants to proceed...
Maybe a better fix is to add a message afterwards, along the lines of
"Haha! Gotcha!"
Stefan
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