Received: (at 13889) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2021 06:56:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 15 02:56:50 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46596 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1m3vIg-0003lb-CD for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:56:50 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.134]:55149) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN>) id 1m3vId-0003lN-U8 for 13889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:56:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.178.39] ([82.207.239.183]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N4NHS-1l2VIt2L6k-011Nnd; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:56:41 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#13889: lenient loading, feature request To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> References: <513771EC.5010908@HIDDEN> <83sj481ml5.fsf@HIDDEN> <51378E07.2010705@HIDDEN> <871r80nkw6.fsf@HIDDEN> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <2f169767-0ec9-bdb9-39ce-abee0747eb59@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:56:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <871r80nkw6.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:GeH2EDIp4BKPxPvbKd2hJtZwSDASC2oxnni9wgvGuwNQJGTatbm jyS6xyamBZIjI9HbfjHb8jWTVdtLKJGNk9HRCIGmNAjZkt5YaxYoqnZrf1i2nxnsc4gnYDR n2YM81lbGIBxD25H7azxCUN6yQWVhI1Qy3vfk3OIlBMIRMZxqFOlIB7iMRXmSjH9F+CgbWX eOHiAc+swph+iCQoE7omg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:oZgTDQePH60=:PnG7oXOEPYyA+bfy8zLqVl XmRh+/nRMxL/GRP8BulxulunF9ire9dwBCeH31fD6qm1nCwfPd+UTvZ1leDuLRzGnW3yYKWZL k88ANrlBITAjt4ISkjlQgo2QxyLBXcmI0btD7D7CHYaKklcGpb1cBsGavxFIdB06uZii7zHpP qcOEjU/kq9qpCObk/sakEilKYa7D+XwqbJSS1k0+RDX39SFRaLqYgT+p4EGH5gQQYQu2PTGym tLfHwB3Ro1RbpgMLxb6/ZwWnrNmiI6DgQsO63tx2L+3OCmlfa9hbQUXr1gIfhqm+tIKWGGWqL ymeNpsSNL3FBtIQ1iqG13RAYqtX7aFjlAkWUSFq4BT9D77W5krAIVQO3dcJinl84Agp+UbFeo jDwatQUGJMQoePQKLZZ6FyAg3H9/p8w0hGSJ/XpRwPGX8dTUGS+cwedAKZXRZg4X1AacTZ0ME LxMjO+kC2HawhTswJysPnfuVXIMZW7wLt7HsHjHuzSb+Kbfwmvq3qdBANV/YQCJUAgIXEed4I B8/06jsa8wz8wJmuv81RHef1jUxOgRN400bZqZzZA57oeCouV79CVU/O2J/AQkbymkEbUNhpc 7MufX5iKukAf0gCD7DV8Wsqw1/rEkofGkJEkig8wX8yGgQHfh/J2499r9lWSS/ld/fI67o2sV IwWyAofyFQ4DhnL76i0J9I1VxPLW5TaZ31EBG9hgur0JszoPJHhpce8doMJC6yQyfh+UKn47T KM+RaiRzD+X81t8N8SAHJIpMrd/wVCzGHu5oXtTfllnNx8d3Ed1tFg/DKFFiP5Nan9Cefr0yV YiZWwtrgtEFq4AJBPD1h9kKA6WHWtW5LzdjzWkn4sDTPa5rIC/Zna40YBQCYCqpZf/3LSI9e9 s2aHRyfKNviBJPaNbY+w== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 13889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 15.07.21 08:36, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN> writes: > >>> It might be a better idea to have a command that would continue >>> loading from where it stopped. This would allow the user to fix >>> manually whatever was broken, and then continue from there. >> Probably both is useful. >> Someone might face a deadline the very day. >> Emacs must work. No time to fix errors just now... >> Error must not be as simple as a missing parenthesis. >> Also imagine colleagues around, awaiting the result, wondering what >> the guy is doing ;) > Popping up the .emacs file with point where the error is would be more > helpful than the current: > > --- > Warning (initialization): An error occurred while loading ‘/home/larsi/.emacs’: > > Invalid read syntax: ), 1, 0 > --- > > I'm not sure how a general "continue loading" switch would work. It's > easy enough if there's a command that's erroring out -- we could ignore > the error and continue loading. But if it's a read-level error, then we > don't really know where to continue loading from. > > I guess we could advance point by one character and try again in a loop > -- that'd usually get us past the error points after a while... > Thought at something like (unwind-protect BODYFORM UNWINDFORMS...) here as (unwind-protect load-current load-remaining...)
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Andreas R=C3=B6hler <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN> writes:
>> It might be a better idea to have a command that would continue
>> loading from where it stopped. This would allow the user to fix
>> manually whatever was broken, and then continue from there.
>
> Probably both is useful.
> Someone might face a deadline the very day.
> Emacs must work. No time to fix errors just now...
> Error must not be as simple as a missing parenthesis.
> Also imagine colleagues around, awaiting the result, wondering what
> the guy is doing ;)
Popping up the .emacs file with point where the error is would be more
helpful than the current:
---
Warning (initialization): An error occurred while loading =E2=80=98/home/la=
rsi/.emacs=E2=80=99:
Invalid read syntax: ), 1, 0
---
I'm not sure how a general "continue loading" switch would work. It's
easy enough if there's a command that's erroring out -- we could ignore
the error and continue loading. But if it's a read-level error, then we
don't really know where to continue loading from.
I guess we could advance point by one character and try again in a loop
-- that'd usually get us past the error points after a while...
--=20
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 17:42:20 +0100
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> Would welcome a feature "lenient loading", which signals the error,=
but goes on, tries to load the
> remaining stuff from init.
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manually whatever was broken, and then continue from there.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#13889; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Mar 2013 16:42:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 06 11:42:19 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34488 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1UDHQ3-0002gw-GI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:42:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51759) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN>) id 1UDHQ0-0002gg-WA for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:42:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN>) id 1UDHPT-0001tb-UY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:41:44 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:41109) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN>) id 1UDHPT-0001tW-Rm for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:41:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34876) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN>) id 1UDHPS-0007du-8U for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:41:43 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN>) id 1UDHPR-0001sn-Ax for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:41:42 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:51911) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN>) id 1UDHPR-0001sa-1s for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 11:41:41 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (brln-4db9e632.pool.mediaWays.net [77.185.230.50]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Ljxqo-1UoH7Z13hS-00c6aR; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 17:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: <513771EC.5010908@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 17:42:20 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: lenient loading, feature request Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:GPu5erhFJ0eQOwjTulc1DU8HS3KVmOTw3J4dT/yMp2i VzSMhoMRm8Tky4c6NAYOWioRRRiHbBpFtwtfJ8BqSAKavmqLK6 Op2VoFNzP7gTxN9Zw4z/AulUZQACHLA1v+bsY7Qo/9SSz9Fz71 pi5ocqSgG69vwEI1tV1YAWNJ/Ejauhx/03XMgPdR3BUvStN/pF aZHQ1M1gGUVZ2QBPazvoNh7k4leBgEtInxZ+vw8ksMb/QkG5Rl tlr+MYSaAdW9Bg2M0kV0YcoNjAFTL8peL4HuMOm8jdMAFKvdSg 9YAAb+ai0QjbF2iBI8EWRiwILaOMeHriWrjBn3i2bpiLFQ88Vn J7jt3oJbPdGIFQh7faR6qk8mPWihDZfpZSokJnVMJ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) Hi all, when Emacs starts, sometimes it raises an error, for example if init loads a file where paren didn't match when saved. Unfortunately Emacs doesn't proceed than with loading the remaining stuff from init. User might be left with a core Emacs. Thus user is more or less compelled to look for the error, nonewithstanding of other tasks, also sometimes that kind of error is hidden, it might take time to spot it. Would welcome a feature "lenient loading", which signals the error, but goes on, tries to load the remaining stuff from init. Best regards, Andreas Röhler
Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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