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Evaluate in emacs -Q

(let (pt pt2 ws ov)
  (insert "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.")
  (setq pt (point))
  (insert "Consectetuer adipiscing elit." "\n")
  (setq ws (point))
  (insert "Phasellus lacus." "\n")
  (insert "Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis.")
  (setq pt2 (point))
  (insert "\n")
  (insert "Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus." "\n")
  (insert "Nullam eu ante vel est convallis dignissim." "\n")
  (set-window-start nil ws)
  (setq ov (make-overlay pt pt2))
  (overlay-put ov 'display "..."))

It will appear as though the overlay is at the beginning of the line, even
though it's not.

Evgeni

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Evaluate in emacs -Q</div><div><br></div><div>(let (p=
t pt2 ws ov)</div><div>=A0 (insert &quot;Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.&quot;)=
</div><div>=A0 (setq pt (point))</div><div>=A0 (insert &quot;Consectetuer a=
dipiscing elit.&quot; &quot;\n&quot;)</div>
<div>=A0 (setq ws (point))</div><div>=A0 (insert &quot;Phasellus lacus.&quo=
t; &quot;\n&quot;)</div><div>=A0 (insert &quot;Cum sociis natoque penatibus=
 et magnis dis.&quot;)</div><div>=A0 (setq pt2 (point))</div><div>=A0 (inse=
rt &quot;\n&quot;)</div>
<div>=A0 (insert &quot;Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.&quot; &qu=
ot;\n&quot;)</div><div>=A0 (insert &quot;Nullam eu ante vel est convallis d=
ignissim.&quot; &quot;\n&quot;)</div><div>=A0 (set-window-start nil ws)</di=
v>
<div>=A0 (setq ov (make-overlay pt pt2))</div><div>=A0 (overlay-put ov &#39=
;display &quot;...&quot;))</div><div><br></div><div>It will appear as thoug=
h the overlay is at the beginning of the line, even though it&#39;s not.</d=
iv>
<div><br></div><div>Evgeni</div></div>

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> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:13:09 +0100
> From: E Sabof <esabof@HIDDEN>
> 
> Evaluate in emacs -Q
> 
> (let (pt pt2 ws ov)
>   (insert "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.")
>   (setq pt (point))
>   (insert "Consectetuer adipiscing elit." "\n")
>   (setq ws (point))
>   (insert "Phasellus lacus." "\n")
>   (insert "Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis.")
>   (setq pt2 (point))
>   (insert "\n")
>   (insert "Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus." "\n")
>   (insert "Nullam eu ante vel est convallis dignissim." "\n")
>   (set-window-start nil ws)
>   (setq ov (make-overlay pt pt2))
>   (overlay-put ov 'display "..."))
> 
> It will appear as though the overlay is at the beginning of the line, even
> though it's not.

"If it hurts, don't do that."  You've put window-start on a position
that is at the beginning of a line, but happens to be covered by an
overlay.  Emacs obeyed.

What did you expect instead, and why?  Is there some real-life use
case where this causes trouble?




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On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> "If it hurts, don't do that."  You've put window-start on a position
> that is at the beginning of a line, but happens to be covered by an
> overlay.  Emacs obeyed.
>
> What did you expect instead, and why?  Is there some real-life use
> case where this causes trouble?
>

I think the correct behavior would be to adjust the window-position. As far
as the window is concerned, putting a hiding overlay should be no different
than deleting text.

Yes, it happens quite frequently after (fold-dwim-hide-all), and maybe in
similar commands.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Eli Zaretskii <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-sty=
le:solid;padding-left:1ex">

&quot;If it hurts, don&#39;t do that.&quot; =A0You&#39;ve put window-start =
on a position<br>
that is at the beginning of a line, but happens to be covered by an<br>
overlay. =A0Emacs obeyed.<br>
<br>
What did you expect instead, and why? =A0Is there some real-life use<br>
case where this causes trouble?<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I think the correct=
 behavior would be to adjust the window-position. As far as the window is c=
oncerned, putting a hiding overlay should be no different than deleting tex=
t.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Yes, it hap=
pens quite frequently after (fold-dwim-hide-all), and maybe in similar comm=
ands.=A0</div></div>

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> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:37:12 +0100
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> I think the correct behavior would be to adjust the window-position.

Adjust to where?

> Yes, it happens quite frequently after (fold-dwim-hide-all), and maybe in
> similar commands.

Who calls set-window-start there, and why do they set window-start in
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On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:

> > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:37:12 +0100
> > From: E Sabof <esabof@HIDDEN>
> > Cc: 14582 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > I think the correct behavior would be to adjust the window-position.
>
> Adjust to where?
>

Either to the next or previous character starting a line.

>
> > Yes, it happens quite frequently after (fold-dwim-hide-all), and maybe in
> > similar commands.
>
> Who calls set-window-start there, and why do they set window-start in
> the middle of text that is hidden?
>

There is no need to call it explicitly. Part of a function might be before
the window start, and part after. If one evokes hs-hide-all (to which
fold-dwim-hide-all
delegates), the same thing will happen.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Eli Zaretskii <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">&gt; Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:37:12 +0100<br>
&gt; From: E Sabof &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:esabof@HIDDEN">esabof@HIDDEN=
</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:14582 <at> debbugs.gnu.org">14582 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a>=
<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt;<br>
&gt; I think the correct behavior would be to adjust the window-position.<b=
r>
<br>
</div>Adjust to where?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Either to the ne=
xt or previous character starting a line.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; Yes, it happens quite frequently after (fold-dwim-hide-all), and maybe=
 in<br>
&gt; similar commands.<br>
<br>
</div>Who calls set-window-start there, and why do they set window-start in=
<br>
the middle of text that is hidden?<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">There is no need to=
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nd part after. If one evokes hs-hide-all (to which=A0<span style=3D"color:r=
gb(80,0,80)">fold-dwim-hide-all delegates), the same thing will happen.</sp=
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> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 19:16:06 +0100
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> 
> > > I think the correct behavior would be to adjust the window-position.
> >
> > Adjust to where?
> >
> 
> Either to the next or previous character starting a line.

You mean, a character that is outside the overlay, I presume.

> > > Yes, it happens quite frequently after (fold-dwim-hide-all), and maybe in
> > > similar commands.
> >
> > Who calls set-window-start there, and why do they set window-start in
> > the middle of text that is hidden?
> >
> 
> There is no need to call it explicitly. Part of a function might be before
> the window start, and part after. If one evokes hs-hide-all (to which
> fold-dwim-hide-all
> delegates), the same thing will happen.

It would help if you could show a recipe with one of these starting
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> It would help if you could show a recipe with one of these starting
> from "emacs -Q".
>

Sure:

M-x hs-minor-mode
Scroll until only the last line is visible
M-x hs-hide-all

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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
It would help if you could show a recipe with one of these starting<br>
from &quot;emacs -Q&quot;.<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Sure:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">M-x hs-minor-mode<div>Scroll until only the last line is visible</div><div>M-x hs-hide-all</div>
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On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 7:40 PM, E Sabof <esabof@HIDDEN> wrote:

>
> It would help if you could show a recipe with one of these starting
>> from "emacs -Q".
>>
>
> Sure:
>
> M-x hs-minor-mode
> Scroll until only the last line is visible
> M-x hs-hide-all
>
>
It already does something similar, if you repeat the above recipe, but two
lines are visible.

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On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 7:40 PM, E Sabof <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:esabof@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">esabof@HIDDEN</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
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:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
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left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

It would help if you could show a recipe with one of these starting<br>
from &quot;emacs -Q&quot;.<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Sure:</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">M-x hs-minor-=
mode<div>Scroll until only the last line is visible</div><div>M-x hs-hide-a=
ll</div>

<div><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">It already does som=
ething similar, if you repeat the above recipe, but two lines are visible.<=
br></div></div>

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