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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 09/01/2013 08:37 AM, jidanni@HIDDEN wrote: > $ cp -i a/s b/s c > cp: overwrite =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98c/s=E2=80=99=3F?= y > cp: will not overwrite just-created =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98c/s=E2=80=99?= with =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98b/s=E2=80=99?= > Mmmm OK, but maybe don't ask then. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 09/01/2013 08:37 AM, jidanni@HIDDEN wrote: > $ cp -i a/s b/s c > cp: overwrite =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98c/s=E2=80=99=3F?= y > cp: will not overwrite just-created =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98c/s=E2=80=99?= with =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98b/s=E2=80=99?= > Mmmm OK, but maybe don't ask then. [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.233.128.45 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 GAPPY_SUBJECT Subject: contains G.a.p.p.y-T.e.x.t On 09/01/2013 08:37 AM, jidanni@HIDDEN wrote: > $ cp -i a/s b/s c > cp: overwrite ‘c/s’? y > cp: will not overwrite just-created ‘c/s’ with ‘b/s’ > Mmmm OK, but maybe don't ask then. This is a fair point. There are two ways to handle this. 1. Do allow the overwrite if 'y' answered. 2. Don't prompt and just display the error. Case 1 could be useful if you wanted to give priority to the last item copied in. However there would be an ambiguity in that case, as you wouldn't know if the prompt was for an existing file or a newly copied file. Also that use case is handled with -n anyway, by just ordering the parameters according to priority. So option 2 as you suggest seems like the right thing to do. So this is a generally means we might only prompt _after_ we discount all cases that aren't allowed. Another for example is: $ rm -f c/s && mkdir c/s && cp -i a/s b/s c cp: overwrite `c/s'? y cp: cannot overwrite directory `c/s' with non-directory cp: overwrite `c/s'? y cp: cannot overwrite directory `c/s' with non-directory But then on the other hand, if you did answer 'n' above, the exit code from cp would be 'success' rather than 'failure'. I.E. it would be a change in behavior to adjust this, rather than just a prompt avoidance. I.E. it's only a redundant prompt when you answer 'y'. So I'm inclined to leave this as is? thanks, Pádraig.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: All I know is that if it is smart enough to say >> cp: will not overwrite just-created =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98c/s=E2=80=99?= with =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98b/s=E2=80=99?= which is indeed rather smart, then it should be smart enough to gather all its thoughts together before presenting them to the user. Hmmm, then it should be also smart enough to recognize the collision and stop before any of it happens... 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: All I know is that if it is smart enough to say >> cp: will not overwrite just-created =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98c/s=E2=80=99?= with =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98b/s=E2=80=99?= which is indeed rather smart, then it should be smart enough to gather all its thoughts together before presenting them to the user. Hmmm, then it should be also smart enough to recognize the collision and stop before any of it happens... [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [208.97.132.83 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 GAPPY_SUBJECT Subject: contains G.a.p.p.y-T.e.x.t 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid All I know is that if it is smart enough to say >> cp: will not overwrite just-created =E2=80=98c/s=E2=80=99 with =E2=80=98= b/s=E2=80=99 which is indeed rather smart, then it should be smart enough to gather all its thoughts together before presenting them to the user. Hmmm, then it should be also smart enough to recognize the collision and stop before any of it happens... By which time the algorithm to prevent user error becomes so big as to introduce different errors... so maybe PB> So I'm inclined to leave this as is? is the right thing. The only problem is five years later certain "j" users will rediscover it and write back again expecting a free t-shirt etc. :-)
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#15232: cp -i a/s b/s c Resent-From: Bob Proulx <bob@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.15232.B15232.137952838611831 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15232 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: jidanni@HIDDEN Cc: 15232 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 15232-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B15232.137952838611831 (code B ref 15232); Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 15232) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2013 18:19:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47161 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VMMLp-00034l-MO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:19:45 -0400 Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:56830) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <bob@HIDDEN>) id 1VMMLn-00034U-6S for 15232 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:19:44 -0400 Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628EE211DB; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 10B6E2DC63; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:19:33 -0600 From: Bob Proulx <bob@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <20130918181933.GA19016@HIDDEN> References: <52237A89.4050609@HIDDEN> <87hae4hyp4.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87hae4hyp4.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) > >> cp: will not overwrite just-created ‘c/s’ with ‘b/s’ Personally I have never liked that behavior. It is trying to be too smart. If I had my "druthers" I would rather see that behavior removed. If I ask for the file to be overwritten twice then I expect the file to be overwritten twice. Problems like those are one of the reasons I would use a for loop to avoid the too smart cp code. for f in one two three; do cp $f targetdir/; done But then I would never use cp -i either. jidanni@HIDDEN wrote: > All I know is that if it is smart enough to say > >> cp: will not overwrite just-created ‘c/s’ with ‘b/s’ > which is indeed rather smart, then it should be smart enough to > gather all its thoughts together before presenting them to the user. > Hmmm, then it should be also smart enough to recognize the collision and > stop before any of it happens... Creeping featurism and bloat. It should be removed and simplified rather than embraced and expanded. > By which time the algorithm to prevent user error becomes so big as to > introduce different errors... so maybe > PB> So I'm inclined to leave this as is? > is the right thing. The only problem is five years later certain "j" > users will rediscover it and write back again expecting a free t-shirt > etc. :-) Have you ever gotten a free t-shirt? :-) Bob
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#15232: cp -i a/s b/s c Resent-From: Jim Meyering <jim@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.15232.B15232.137960255210108 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15232 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Bob Proulx <bob@HIDDEN> Cc: 15232 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@HIDDEN Received: via spool by 15232-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B15232.137960255210108 (code B ref 15232); Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 15232) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2013 14:55:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49284 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VMfe3-0002cx-CC for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:55:51 -0400 Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com ([209.85.220.52]:44789) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <meyering@HIDDEN>) id 1VMfdy-0002cb-TX for 15232 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:55:47 -0400 Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id kq13so9678212pab.25 for <15232 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:55:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dTcmJs93Yoal0BNn15AxBqCfItwUqoMnrTEopsQgDKk=; b=zDGDLolbzGWj38aPdLv4K9KoBRtakZiYeqBx5VFRvNnbI9pv4mUotYU9m/TsqTqYde Z6oOJP/C4Q8kREcRQ4gBi5FkV4f3zbTdLPQI0fw8MgiSlepCGY+pU79X/JmNrb2dZ2jo 3afjFlBXW2NWQ9ppZk1+CJY3ZYjSTcP+zRUBSGijc7U1Yt7ThHXHed24DcGU2rQMltiE cj0y5Lc7TYmszaq8kjxIvsNTBJgIvvykIlCkM7N/ij3I2PoDym2Za8mwci4XalmF3Ysm Y1MImMXTkhRaJc9zrXJ//b+NRyGPU1oOw4lQdiruTL0jG1bI19RgClgivovro+ca0ZYC BHBQ== X-Received: by 10.67.23.164 with SMTP id ib4mr3378948pad.42.1379602540850; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:55:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.17.1 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130918181933.GA19016@HIDDEN> References: <52237A89.4050609@HIDDEN> <87hae4hyp4.fsf@HIDDEN> <20130918181933.GA19016@HIDDEN> From: Jim Meyering <jim@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:55:20 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f3WYVcS9naWzTMn58rmQvz4QeeM Message-ID: <CA+8g5KEPJ-LCg9q_JO5aPRv7=C4d5a1sqq7ughcPm0YEV94UcA@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Bob Proulx <bob@HIDDEN> wrote: >> >> cp: will not overwrite just-created =91c/s=92 with =91b/s=92 > > Personally I have never liked that behavior. It is trying to be too > smart. If I had my "druthers" I would rather see that behavior > removed. If I ask for the file to be overwritten twice then I expect > the file to be overwritten twice. ... > Creeping featurism and bloat. It should be removed and simplified > rather than embraced and expanded. Hi Bob, If you don't like the "feature", perhaps I haven't made it clear enough that without it, cp is vulnerable to a subtle type of exploit. The trouble arises when there are two files by the same name (obviously in two separate directories, as in the example), but where the first one that cp copies is a symlink, and the second one contains the "payload", which would (without this feature) be copied through the just-copied symlink. With that, if some victim (person or script) can be made to issue such a command, the one who controls the contents of the source directories can chose the name of a file writable by the victim as well as the desired contents: cp would do the rest. Sure, it requires a buggy script, or a cooperative/susceptible victim, but how many of us would guess that a root-run "cp -p dir.* dest-dir" could be tricked into doing something bad? I was sooo glad I spotted that bug before this exploitable cp made it into a release. It affected other vendors back then, and probably some even now.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: >>>>> "JM" == Jim Meyering <jim@HIDDEN> writes: JM> enough that without it, cp is vulnerable to a subtle type of exploit. Well some word about this should be in some footnote in the cp INFO manual. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: >>>>> "JM" == Jim Meyering <jim@HIDDEN> writes: JM> enough that without it, cp is vulnerable to a subtle type of exploit. Well some word about this should be in some footnote in the cp INFO manual. [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [208.97.132.145 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.3 GAPPY_SUBJECT Subject: contains G.a.p.p.y-T.e.x.t 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid >>>>> "JM" == Jim Meyering <jim@HIDDEN> writes: JM> enough that without it, cp is vulnerable to a subtle type of exploit. Well some word about this should be in some footnote in the cp INFO manual.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 09/19/2013 11:02 PM, jidanni@HIDDEN wrote: >> Jim Meyering <jim@HIDDEN> writes: > >> enough that without it, cp is vulnerable to a subtle type of exploit. > > Well some word about this should be in some footnote in the cp INFO manual. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 09/19/2013 11:02 PM, jidanni@HIDDEN wrote: >> Jim Meyering <jim@HIDDEN> writes: > >> enough that without it, cp is vulnerable to a subtle type of exploit. > > Well some word about this should be in some footnote in the cp INFO manual. [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 1.3 GAPPY_SUBJECT Subject: contains G.a.p.p.y-T.e.x.t On 09/19/2013 11:02 PM, jidanni@HIDDEN wrote: >> Jim Meyering <jim@HIDDEN> writes: > >> enough that without it, cp is vulnerable to a subtle type of exploit. > > Well some word about this should be in some footnote in the cp INFO manual. It would be vulnerable "without it", as Jim wrote. So I don't think the man or info pages are the right place. We even have a test case for that: http://git.sv.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/tests/cp/abuse.sh BTW: I'm not sure if we're talking about two different things now: The OP was talking about ordinary files a/s and b/s which leads to cp: will not overwrite just-created 'c/s' with 'b/s' whereas Jim is talking about a/s being a symlink which leads to cp: will not copy 'b/s' through just-created symlink 'c/s' Have a nice day, Berny
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